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MzMia -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 4:07:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

PLEASE!

dont let government fix any more problems!     I cant take it no more.  enough has now been fixed  (gag)



LOL
It is really pathetic, the current Administration is still in charge
as we sink lower and lower into the current abyss.

Many people can only focus on what Senator Obama is suggesting.
Let's forget the crap that has been going on for 8 years now.
[;)]




JumpingJax -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 5:17:21 PM)

No I don't need a tissue. I really don't care who is elected president. I figure it this ways..... Either way who ever is in Washington is just going to screw it up like they usually do. It's the one sure thing in every election.

It is amazing to me how many people actually believe the president really makes that big of a difference. Last time I checked the president doesn't make laws. Only those congress men and senators do that. The presidents powers really are limited to the Military and to the Judicial side of matters.

Even military power is limited, congress must approve all long term military actions. The president can shoot a few missles, maybe send the Marines out. But for real military force, congress must approve it. YES Congress approved the current military struggles we are in. Right or Wrong it is Congress who gets the credit, or the blame.


Do you think our President will make a big difference? No. You want real change - Fire your local congress man and hire a new one.





MzMia -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 7:03:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax

No I don't need a tissue. I really don't care who is elected president. I figure it this ways..... Either way who ever is in Washington is just going to screw it up like they usually do. It's the one sure thing in every election.

It is amazing to me how many people actually believe the president really makes that big of a difference. Last time I checked the president doesn't make laws. Only those congress men and senators do that. The presidents powers really are limited to the Military and to the Judicial side of matters.

Even military power is limited, congress must approve all long term military actions. The president can shoot a few missles, maybe send the Marines out. But for real military force, congress must approve it. YES Congress approved the current military struggles we are in. Right or Wrong it is Congress who gets the credit, or the blame.


Do you think our President will make a big difference? No. You want real change - Fire your local congress man and hire a new one.




I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a certain point.
IF it really does not matter who the President is, why should any of
us care who wins?




BitaTruble -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 7:31:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax
The presidents powers really are limited to the Military and to the Judicial side of matters.




Hang on a sec there, Sarah. The Supreme Court deals with the judicial side. The prez is executive and has the power of veto over the legislature. 

The president doesn't have any judicial power. He can nominate the Justices but they have to be confirmed by the Senate. Such confirmation can be blocked by filibuster, so it's no gimme in any event.

He can actually do a few other things as well. I suggest a reading of the Constitution. It's a wonderful reference source.





JumpingJax -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 7:34:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a certain point.
IF it really does not matter who the President is, why should any of
us care who wins?




I believe most people like to believe that they have some type of power or control. They want to believe their single vote matters and had an impact on things. People want to be part of the winning team and they want to believe it was them that helped make it happen. And they want to believe what they are hearing from the people that have decided to put their faith and trust behind.

It's easier to believe and have faith then it is to question.

(Oh sorry that was my argument about religion - oh hell whats the difference any more)






JumpingJax -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 7:46:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Hang on a sec there, Sarah. The Supreme Court deals with the judicial side. The prez is executive and has the power of veto over the legislature.

The president doesn't have any judicial power. He can nominate the Justices but they have to be confirmed by the Senate. Such confirmation can be blocked by filibuster, so it's no gimme in any event.

He can actually do a few other things as well. I suggest a reading of the Constitution. It's a wonderful reference source.




Very valid point on the requirement of congress to approve any judicial appointments. But as you agree the president does have some influence here.

I used the term, “Judicial side” - maybe not the best words to use as I guess that seems to imply just the judicial branch. I also was speaking of the power the President has with the US Justice department. The appointment of the Attorney General and the ability to decide which federal laws are going to be actively enforced by our federal law enforcement is in my opinion probably one of the presidents most important jobs, and great powers.

A power we have seen in recent years has been abused.... (Recent years here means the last 16 or more years – no political party is immune from abusing the power of the Attorney general)







ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 7:57:07 PM)

One of the most important aspects of the presidency is nowhere to be found in the constitution.  The President sets the tone for various policy issues.  The best example is when Reagan fired PATCO.  You can argue his decision till the cows come home but that one move set the tone for labor/management relations in all the decades since.  The conservative movement he lead also brought in the era of Big Religion and its undue influence on politics anlong with new attacks on all sorts of basic rights.  And, not to pick on The Gipper, but didn't Reagan make a point of ignoring AIDS for years?  Bush 43 set the policy - or lack thereof - for energy use in the US.  Instead of pushing an agenda of self-reliance he pretty much let the energy companies do as they please.  So no, the president doesn't get to make the laws, but he can be the prime factor in any given bill passing or dieing, or being vetoed.

~Dave




Lordandmaster -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 7:57:07 PM)

No, he's laying low so as not to remind people that he is in the same party as John McCain.  That would be a kiss of death!

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I am serious, has anyone here heard or seen anything from
President Bush in the past few weeks or so?




BitaTruble -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 8:06:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JumpingJax


Very valid point on the requirement of congress to approve any judicial appointments. But as you agree the president does have some influence here.

I used the term, “Judicial side” - maybe not the best words to use as I guess that seems to imply just the judicial branch. I also was speaking of the power the President has with the US Justice department. The appointment of the Attorney General and the ability to decide which federal laws are going to be actively enforced by our federal law enforcement is in my opinion probably one of the presidents most important jobs, and great powers.

A power we have seen in recent years has been abused.... (Recent years here means the last 16 or more years – no political party is immune from abusing the power of the Attorney general)






The judicial branch of government interprets law and presides over judicial review of the Constitution, the legislative determines what the laws are and the executive branch enforces law. The Attorney General is in the law enforcement branch, not the judicial branch. I think you probably just confused the terms justice and judicial. The US Department of Justice deals with enforcement, not interpretation. Prez also has the power to pardon and is the mover and shaker with foreign policy. As far as the most important job, that's subjective, of course. Some will feel it's being the CIC, some will feel it's appointments others will feel it's nominating the Justices and people like Caspar Weinberger probably think it's the power of the pardon which is most important. [8D]

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JumpingJax -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 8:14:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

The judicial branch of government interprets law and presides over judicial review of the Constitution, the legislative determines what the laws are and the executive branch enforces law. The Attorney General is in the law enforcement branch, not the judicial branch. I think you probably just confused the terms justice and judicial. The US Department of Justice deals with enforcement, not interpretation. Prez also has the power to pardon and is the mover and shaker with foreign policy. As far as the most important job, that's subjective, of course. Some will feel it's being the CIC, some will feel it's appointments others will feel it's nominating the Justices and people like Caspar Weinberger probably think it's the power of the pardon which is most important. [8D]





I fully understand the difference between the two terms. I was (incorrectly) trying to wrap the two under 1 umbrella for the purpose of outling the places there the President does have power. The control over the Justice department and ability to appoint federal judges.

I did not really think about the earlier point you brought up that the judges must be approved by congress any way. So again Congress has control there as well. Therefore with that in mind Justice would have been a much better word for me to use. Thank You.




Sanity -> RE: Has ANYONE seen or heard anything from President Bush lately? (10/30/2008 8:19:21 PM)


According to the strictly non-partisan L.A. Times, President Bush has been busy setting booby traps for Barack Obama.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/la-oe-brooks30-2008oct30,1,6321450.column




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