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RE: Iraqi government - 10/29/2008 8:28:01 AM   
piratecommander


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If we truly were fighting for it, where are all the tankers filled with free oil?  Damn it! I want my tanker full of free oil! 

Let's see.... where to begin with the serious part of my answer.  To the OP, as has been said, this is not the "Iraqi government" but effectively one party. 
To KDSub, stop being afraid of nukular power and learn the truth about it.  There is absolutely NO chance of a Chernobyl style disaster with an American reactor.  We don't run hot enough nor can we to fuel that type of a reaction.  Coal burning plants do more damage to the environment than nukular ones.  Do the research.  Its true.
On the SUV thing, it is popular to bash SUVs because the movie stars do it.  These same "stars" still all seem to own a Hummer and a limo but the sheep follow their words into hating the mom with six kids who drives them around in a Suburban.  They are not pure waste if you need them.  If you drive a gas guzzler like that without reason then apparently, you have more money than someone else and they are going to call you evil for not driving a gay assed Prius.  Oh, and by the way, the hybrid SUVs are already coming out. This one always gets under my skin because self righteous assholes like to pass judgement when they are at the pumps.  They look at my truck and say stuff like, "Bet you wish you had been smart enough to buy one of these."  I angrily respond by reminding them that the money I saved in buying a vehicle that could actually tow a horse trailer filled with draft horses can easily be applied to paying fines for breaking the jaws of self righteous assholes in public.  My lawnmower can tow as much as a Prius.  My vehicle and many others like it were bought because they are needed.  The small minded fail to believe that sometimes these thing are neccessary.
Pirate, keep Greedy translating your posts for you.  You make good points without throwing a temper tantrum or spewing toxic partisan hate.  More people should learn from you.


Irish Knight.
You are,what we call "a man after my own heart" (let me know if you need that translated............) and I appreciate the mention you gave me.

We all learn from each other is my feeling on the matter. Pirate.

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RE: Iraqi government - 10/29/2008 8:45:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Irishknight

To KDSub, stop being afraid of nukular power and learn the truth about it.  There is absolutely NO chance of a Chernobyl style disaster with an American reactor.  We don't run hot enough nor can we to fuel that type of a reaction.  Coal burning plants do more damage to the environment than nukular ones.  Do the research.  Its true.


The below looks a little scary to me..

3 January 1961
A reactor explosion (attributed by a Nuclear Regulatory Commission source to sabotage) at the National Reactor Testing Station in Arco, Idaho, killed one navy technician and two army technicians, and released radioactivity "largely confined" (words of John A. McCone, Director of the Atomic Energy Commission) to the reactor building. The three men were killed as they moved fuel rods in a "routine" preparation for the reactor start-up. One technician was blown to the ceiling of the containment dome and impaled on a control rod. His body remained there until it was taken down six days later. The men were so heavily exposed to radiation that their hands had to be buried separately with other radioactive waste, and their bodies were interred in lead coffins.
24 July 1964
Robert Peabody, 37, died at the United Nuclear Corp. fuel facility in Charlestown, Rhode Island, when liquid uranium he was pouring went critical, starting a reaction that exposed him to a lethal dose of radiation.
19 November 1971
The water storage space at the Northern States Power Company's reactor in Monticello, Minnesota filled to capacity and spilled over, dumping about 50,000 gallons of radioactive waste water into the Mississippi River. Some was taken into the St. Paul water system.
March 1972
Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska submitted to the Congressional Record facts surrounding a routine check in a nuclear power plant which indicated abnormal radioactivity in the building's water system. Radioactivity was confirmed in the plant drinking fountain. Apparently there was an inappropriate cross-connection between a 3,000 gallon radioactive tank and the water system.
27 July 1972
Two workers at the Surry Unit 2 facility in Virginia were fatally scalded after a routine valve adjustment led to a steam release in a gap in a vent line. [See also 9 December 1986]
28 May 1974
The Atomic Energy Commission reported that 861 "abnormal events" had occurred in 1973 in the nation's 42 operative nuclear power plants. Twelve involved the release of radioactivity "above permissible levels."
22 March 1975
A technician checking for air leaks with a lighted candle caused $100 million in damage when insulation caught fire at the Browns Ferry reactor in Decatur, Alabama. The fire burned out electrical controls, lowering the cooling water to dangerous levels, before the plant could be shut down.
28 March 1979
A major accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania. At 4:00 a.m. a series of human and mechanical failures nearly triggered a nuclear disaster. By 8:00 a.m., after cooling water was lost and temperatures soared above 5,000 degrees, the top portion of the reactor's 150-ton core collapsed and melted. Contaminated coolant water escaped into a nearby building, releasing radioactive gasses, leading as many as 200,000 people to flee the region. Despite claims by the nuclear industry that "no one died at Three Mile Island," a study by Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, professor of radiation physics at the University of Pittsburgh, showed that the accident led to a minimum of 430 infant deaths.
1981
The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that there were 4,060 mishaps and 140 serious events at nuclear power plants in 1981, up from 3,804 mishaps and 104 serious events the previous year.
11 February 1981
An Auxiliary Unit Operator, working his first day on the new job without proper training, inadvertently opened a valve which led to the contamination of eight men by 110,000 gallons of radioactive coolant sprayed into the containment building of the Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah I plant in Tennessee.
July 1981
A flood of low-level radioactive wastewater in the sub-basement at Nine Mile Point's Unit 1 (in New York state) caused approximately 150 55-gallon drums of high-level waste to overturn, some of which released their highly radioactive contents. Some 50,000 gallons of low-level radioactive water were subsequently dumped into Lake Ontario to make room for the cleanup. The discharge was reported to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, but the sub-basement contamination was not. A report leaked to the press 8 years later resulted in a study which found that high levels of radiation persisted in the still flooded facility.
1982
The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that 84,322 power plant workers were exposed to radiation in 1982, up from 82,183 the previous year.
25 January 1982
A steam generator pipe broke at the Rochester Gas & Electric Company's Ginna plant near Rochester, New York. Fifteen thousand gallons of radioactive coolant spilled onto the plant floor, and small amounts of radioactive steam escaped into the air.
15-16 January 1983
Nearly 208,000 gallons of water with low-level radioactive contamination was accidentally dumped into the Tennesee River at the Browns Ferry power plant.
25 February 1983
A catastrophe at the Salem 1 reactor in New Jersey was averted by just 90 seconds when the plant was shut down manually, following the failure of automatic shutdown systems to act properly. The same automatic systems had failed to respond in an incident three days before, and other problems plagued this plant as well, such as a 3,000 gallon leak of radioactive water in June 1981 at the Salem 2 reactor, a 23,000 gallon leak of "mildly" radioactive water (which splashed onto 16 workers) in February 1982, and radioactive gas leaks in March 1981 and September 1982 from Salem 1.
9 December 1986
A feedwater pipe ruptured at the Surry Unit 2 facility in Virginia, causing 8 workers to be scalded by a release of hot water and steam. Four of the workers later died from their injuries. In addition, water from the sprinkler systems caused a malfunction of the security system, preventing personnel from entering the facility. This was the second time that an incident at the Surry 2 unit resulted in fatal injuries due to scalding [see also 27 July 1972].
1988
It was reported that there were 2,810 accidents in U.S. commercial nuclear power plants in 1987, down slightly from the 2,836 accidents reported in 1986, according to a report issued by the Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc.
28 May 1993
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission released a warning to the operators of 34 nuclear reactors around the country that the instruments used to measure levels of water in the reactor could give false readings during routine shutdowns and fail to detect important leaks. The problem was first bought to light by an engineer at Northeast Utilities in Connecticut who had been harassed for raising safety questions. The flawed instruments at boiling-water reactors designed by General Electric utilize pipes which were prone to being blocked by gas bubbles; a failure to detect falling water levels could have resulted, potentially leading to a meltdown.
15 February 2000
New York's Indian Point II power plant vented a small amount of radioactive steam when a an aging steam generator ruptured. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission initially reported that no radioactive material was released, but later changed their report to say that there was a leak, but not of a sufficient amount to threaten public safety.
6 March 2002
Workers discovered a foot-long cavity eaten into the reactor vessel head at the Davis-Besse nuclear plant in Ohio. Borated water had corroded the metal to a 3/16 inch stainless steel liner which held back over 80,000 gallons of highly pressurized radioactive water. In April 2005 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission proposed fining plant owner First Energy 5.4 million dollars for their failure to uncover the problem sooner (similar problems plaguing other plants were already known within the industry), and also proposed banning System Engineer Andrew Siemaszko from working in the industry for five years due to his falsifying reactor vessel logs. As of this writing the fine and suspension were under appeal.

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RE: Iraqi government - 10/29/2008 11:06:28 AM   
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Problem with leaving Iraq is the neighbours; the Iranians already conceivably hold a great deal of influence over the Iraqi government and this will only grow over time - and grow more completely and quickly should we leave before we're sure whats going on and is likely to happen next. And then there's our "good friends" the Saudis, who I believe have played Bush like a fiddle these last eight years, encouraging behind the scenes the invasion of a country they felt threatened by and thereby knowingly sucking the US (and UK et al) into a war that would be disastrous to the west and simultaneously beneficial to them as instability sent oil prices rising. One would of course hope that these same "good friends" were not also involved behind the scenes in 9/11 and the consequent Afghan adventure for similar reasons.

Meanwhile, Pakistan (on the eastern border with Iran) is in turmoil, much of it the result of Saudi sponsored radicalisation and the troubles in neighbouring Afghanistan. The economy is in a depression, the currency is losing value by the day and theyre fighting an unpopular and expensive war on their border. So what? we might say - except that we must consider that Pakistan is a nuclear armed country, control over which by the Saudis or the Iranians is not a happy prospect for us but for which either of the two might engage in activities that brought it into its sphere of influence.

The more I think about all this, the more apparent the motive and means appear by which this whole episode might simply be a conflict fought by proxy between Muslims of various strains to acquire world power status at the expense of the west. Our only choice then is whether to back "our enemy" Iran by pulling out, or "our good friends" the Saudis by remaining.

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RE: Iraqi government - 10/29/2008 12:00:35 PM   
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Kd, you have yet to find one event even close to Chernobyl.  Your own findings show 5 deaths directly attributable to the US nuclear power program.  The claim that 430 infant deaths were caused by 3 mile island is something never proven except to those who want to ban nuclear power.  I can probably spend a few minutes and find a study refuting that claim as well. 
In fact, the first thing you mention is directly responsible for the changes that prevent us have a Chernobyl style incident.  We do not use weapons grade material in our reactors because of that incident.  That would be a must have for a Chernobyl caliber fuck up.  Again, more people have been killed due to coal plants in the last two years than have died in the nuclear industry in this country in the 40 year span you show.  More people are killed in the aviation industry every year.  More are killed in the automotive industry every year.
I guess we are going to have to be afraid of airplanes and cars and not allow any new ones to be made. 

If I were to take any other major industry in this country, there would be more accidents and deaths than in the nuclear program.  I remember a kid getting scalded nearly to death while working at McDonald's.  We shouldn't make any more fries or Big Macs. 

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RE: Iraqi government - 10/29/2008 12:03:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Irishknight

Kd, you have yet to find one event even close to Chernobyl.  Your own findings show 5 deaths directly attributable to the US nuclear power program.  The claim that 430 infant deaths were caused by 3 mile island is something never proven except to those who want to ban nuclear power.  I can probably spend a few minutes and find a study refuting that claim as well. 
In fact, the first thing you mention is directly responsible for the changes that prevent us have a Chernobyl style incident.  We do not use weapons grade material in our reactors because of that incident.  That would be a must have for a Chernobyl caliber fuck up.  Again, more people have been killed due to coal plants in the last two years than have died in the nuclear industry in this country in the 40 year span you show.  More people are killed in the aviation industry every year.  More are killed in the automotive industry every year.
I guess we are going to have to be afraid of airplanes and cars and not allow any new ones to be made. 

If I were to take any other major industry in this country, there would be more accidents and deaths than in the nuclear program.  I remember a kid getting scalded nearly to death while working at McDonald's.  We shouldn't make any more fries or Big Macs. 


An estimated 430 babes died...is that enough for you...Now I don't know if that is true or not... But it does make me think twice about a technology that could be replaced with another.

Butch

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