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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 1:34:54 PM   
Irishknight


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I think 2016 for Hillary. If Obama loses 2008, she'll be blamed for the drawn out Primary and her chances are over.
He has to win 2008, win or lose 2012, then she's in 2016. He would also need to appoint her a serious position in 2008 to position her for 2016.

If the dems really do right by the American people, with a dem pres and a dem congress, they could end up holding the white house for many years to come.

If they win and don't fix the ills of this nation, voters will run to the reps with open arms in 2012.

Very logical.  You make good points.  I still don't think she'll ever make it into the Whitehouse as anything but a guest again.  She will try but I don't think she'll succeed.
Too many, like myself, want nothing to do with her.  I would vote for a 3rd Bush term before giving her my vote for 5 minutes.  Just because she has a vagina doesn't mean she should be the first woman president.  Others in this country are far better candidates.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 3:12:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Naive question, since I'm a foreigner: why do people hate/dislike Hilary Clinton so much? Does she differ from other politicians that much that she attracts such vitriol? Genuinely curious...

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 3:20:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		kittin, she is a smart, gutsy, Strong woman who scares people and we have a tradition here in America of labeling woman with brains and balls and enough of both to say what she wants to say as a bitch.
It's one of our shortcomings as a nation. Most of the people I have met who dislike Hillary cannot really give you a good reason for doing so. She was involved in her husband's administration and got burned on the health care issue and in doing so showed enough strength that she became a target as the First Lady who really wasn't that interested in high tea at the White House with alot of wives of foreign leaders when she preferred a good policy fight.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 3:27:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right, so people hate Clinton because of some kind of castration complex?

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 3:34:01 PM   
SilverMark


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Status: offline 		Not so sure I would call it that but, speak to successful women in business and you will hear some of the same things as to how they are perceived.
Tough men are admired tough women disparaged by some or so it seems.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 3:38:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Naive question, since I'm a foreigner: why do people hate/dislike Hilary Clinton so much? Does she differ from other politicians that much that she attracts such vitriol? Genuinely curious...


Kittin, how many years have you been in the U.S.?
Do you remember that whole "Vast right-wing conspiracy" stuff?
That was back in the late 1990's.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 3:48:54 PM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Dude, I've only been here a year and a half. Be gentle with the conspiracies. 

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 4:38:17 PM   
Irishknight


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Status: offline 		I dislike all of the members of the group they used to cal "the Arkansas Maffia."  They were engaged in numerous criminal activities during their reign here.  Anyone who has ever agreed to testify against them is dead.  
They ran good cops off of the force for refusing to go pick up sexual partners for them...  (One is a friend of my father's and a man I grew up with.)
Then she has the nerve to act shocked when Bill gets caught with his pants down.  Since he was only doing what they had both been engaged in since their governorship, she was only angry that he got caught.
As late in th game as her run for the nomination, she lied about being under fire by snipers. 
The woman is a criminal and a fraud.  It has nothing to do with being a strong woman.  There are, as I said, many women I would vote for.  Just not that one.

I have to add that this is all alleged as it has never been proven in court.  Kind of hard when all the witnesses die.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 4:47:28 PM   
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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 6:44:31 PM   
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...will be voting for McCain to better position Hillary for another run in 2012?


Bud....she'll be 112!

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 6:49:26 PM   
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She was just the warm up for Palin.


That is so funny...

Palin, the ethics violating, moose murdering, 150k fashion queen, ha ha...

I do not like Hillary at all, but comparing a woman of her stature to Palin? OMG... thanks for the laugh

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 6:54:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Naive question, since I'm a foreigner: why do people hate/dislike Hilary Clinton so much? Does she differ from other politicians that much that she attracts such vitriol? Genuinely curious...


I do not personally hate her... but I will never support a candidate that voted for the war... especially one that had as much information as she did and went along for political expediency. I think that her political career is the only thing that matters to her (and her daughter).

Even after all this time she will not own up to her mistake for voting for the war... just blames Bush.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 7:34:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am a Hillary girl.   No way for McCain.   I am terrified of Barack at the moment, but will probably vote democrat since that is the only thing I know to do.  It is a shame that with as many people we have in the US, we cannot find two outstanding citizens to vote for.
 
Regards, MissSCD

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 7:44:42 PM   
juliaoceania


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e cannot find two outstanding citizens to vote for.


I wanted Kucinich... a truly outstanding human being and public servant... although I am enthusiastically supporting Obama, my first choice did not win.

I do not know what is so scary about Obama to some people... it just seems odd to me... I know some people are afraid of his color, some his middle name... but seriously, in the year 2008 I would like to think that people were not so afraid of ethnic differences....


Not saying that is your issue.. but when people say they fear Obama.. that is the first thing that comes into my head

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/24/2008 10:26:06 PM   
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I am a Hillary girl.   No way for McCain.   I am terrified of Barack at the moment, but will probably vote democrat since that is the only thing I know to do.  It is a shame that with as many people we have in the US, we cannot find two outstanding citizens to vote for.
 
Regards, MissSCD


I think your fear of Barack defines the potential for a massive "November Surprise" when people get into that booth with their conscience and prioritize their vote on the basis of not what we have been told to believe but what we ACTUALLY believe.  It also depends greatly on the political temperature in the final days...another comment from Biden causing people to rethink the qualifications of Obama, how immature he is perceived to be by foreign despots who would "test" him, and other hurtful comments from idiots like Murtha call his constituents racist, and than settling for "redneck" that don't resonate well here in Pennsylvania.  

The man has been able to successfully change his politics like a cameleon changes color, beating Hillary and her wide experience on his "anti-war" stand as a State Senator from a liberal district, to gaining in the polls with the cratering in the stock market, even though his resume' does  not show any strength in the arena of economics. McCain has the better record of warning of the risks and fighting in the U.S. Senate to strengthen regulation over the GSE's.   The man can sure read those "words" well..and no question he has "charisma"....but not much else

There is nothing new in the Obama's words promising government checks, democrats have done this forever.  What is different this time is that people are running scared and it sure sounds attractive getting under the skirts of big governments protection.  I'm scared too Miss SCD, like I have never been in my life.  In past elections, no matter who the winner, I never doubted that if things didn't work out in four years we could change the power at the top of our government, and go in another direction.  However, when people vote for an unknown but charismatic politician whose principle arguement is "Change" and a belief that he will calm the violent seas, expectations are built to such high levels and the seeds have been planted for major disappointment and resultant trauma and extreme reactions.  The stakes are very high this time, critically high,  and the battle lines are drawn between two distinct ideologies capitalism v socialism...blurred by panic at the moment.  Truly a scary time.







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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/25/2008 3:13:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I may have voted for Hillary, and now I'm voting for McCain. But my McCain vote has nothing to do with Hillary's future chances. They're both pretty moderate, and that's why I support them. Obama is far too liberal/socialist for my tastes.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/25/2008 4:07:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny thing about all of the conspiracy theorists concerning the Clinton's. From Vince Foster to hog futures and Whitewater, yet with all of the world watching not a one ever even close to proved? As for the vast right wing conspiracy, at the time her husband was being attacked for something Hillary didn't believe he had done and the Republicans ,such moral stalwarts as the 2 adulterers Henry Hyde and Newt Gingrich were trying to impeach him. The ultra conservative right wing had discovered talk radio and everyday they were hammering the Clinton's including Hillary for Bill's sexual activities. Through all of it all they could really do was conclude that Bill got a BJ from a 21 year old girl in the oval office. The Clinton's never killed anyone, never had anyone killed and no one proved much aside from Bill got a BJ and lied about it. Hillary through it all did what a lot of wives would do....she defended her husband...I am sure if she had ever wanted to kill anyone it was probably Bill!
Ahhhh...I  long for a President who will lead us to a bit of financial success as a country and could care less about blow-jobs unless of course I am the one getting it!
It really all got to be a bit much and the conspiracies are still repeated and obviously by a few still believed even though the Clinton's are probably the world's most investigated couple. Funny thing, after 8 years in the White house and 8 years out nothing has ever been proved...NOTHING....
p.s. nice try to high jack cory....the November surprise from what I see...might just be a landslide against that little guy who looks like he has irritable bowel syndrome!

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/25/2008 4:16:00 AM   
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The October surprise was a wet fire cracker so now we've turned it into a November surprise?

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/25/2008 6:01:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Funny thing about all of the conspiracy theorists concerning the Clinton's. From Vince Foster to hog futures and Whitewater, yet with all of the world watching not a one ever even close to proved? As for the vast right wing conspiracy, at the time her husband was being attacked for something Hillary didn't believe he had done and the Republicans ,such moral stalwarts as the 2 adulterers Henry Hyde and Newt Gingrich were trying to impeach him. The ultra conservative right wing had discovered talk radio and everyday they were hammering the Clinton's including Hillary for Bill's sexual activities. Through all of it all they could really do was conclude that Bill got a BJ from a 21 year old girl in the oval office. The Clinton's never killed anyone, never had anyone killed and no one proved much aside from Bill got a BJ and lied about it. Hillary through it all did what a lot of wives would do....she defended her husband...I am sure if she had ever wanted to kill anyone it was probably Bill!
Ahhhh...I  long for a President who will lead us to a bit of financial success as a country and could care less about blow-jobs unless of course I am the one getting it!
It really all got to be a bit much and the conspiracies are still repeated and obviously by a few still believed even though the Clinton's are probably the world's most investigated couple. Funny thing, after 8 years in the White house and 8 years out nothing has ever been proved...NOTHING....

How many years did the "teflon don" get away with his activities?   He was every bit as investigated as Billary.  Just because the evidence and the witnesses all have a way of going away does not make them innocent of wrong doing.  It does make them innocent in a court of law.  If I had the resources at Billary's command, I would be able to get away with all sorts of stuff too.  Mind you, I did add that these things had yet to be proven.
As far as the fact that both of them had state police bring them back sexual partners, I know that to be true.  As I said in my earlier post, I personally know a state trooper who was forced out for refusing to be that kind of a pimp.  He will tell you to this day that if he were to agree to testify, he would not live to see trial.  I believe him.
I also know a number of those who have guarded Susan McDougal in prison over the years.  That woman is terrified of the Clintons.  Innocent people do not cause that kind of fear.

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RE: How many Hillary voters in here..... - 10/25/2008 9:00:52 AM   
SilverMark


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Status: offline 		The Teflon Don's reign was short lived at best 1985 with the death of Paul Castellano to his arrest and imprisonment in 1990<as Don> prior to that he was arrested a number of times including a stint in Lewisville Prison in Pa.( one of my favorite topics ) ....not exactly long term and never had the resources turned on him that the Clinton's did. Conspiracy theories are just that...theories. You choose to believe and I choose not to do so. No court finds innocence they only find guilt or a lack of guilt so if they had done all the horrendous things people claim they would have been found out pretty quickly. Amazing inuendo and gossip that is spread and said dosen't make it true. Just my opinion.

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