RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2.

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theobserver -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/1/2008 4:18:18 PM)
Sex for profit, like drugs, is being forced into the black market which causes rampant exploitation. To me, I think that regulating what people do to their bodies is a waste of time, energy, expense and effort. It also creates more problems than it solves. As long as minors are not involved I could care less if someone sells their body for cash.

JustDarkness -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/1/2008 4:20:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theobserver Sex for profit, like drugs, is being forced into the black market which causes rampant exploitation. To me, I think that regulating what people do to their bodies is a waste of time, energy, expense and effort. It also creates more problems than it solves. As long as minors are not involved I could care less if someone sells their body for cash. Agree..that is why it is gladly legal overhere. And causisng less problems then befor

antipode -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/1/2008 5:55:43 PM)
Well, Fizz, no, prostitution is looked down on regardless of legality. You need to turn the way you look at it around - prostitution is illegal because it is looked down on (in a combination with religious views). I come from Western Europe, which is more enlightened, but the populace there looks at prostitution the same way. I had several prostitute friends, including a sub of mine, but the minute you get outside of the big city, there is no more tolerance, the moral majority takes over. America, and other Anglo-Saxon countries, are particularly problematical, there are rules that prohibit minors from having sex, there is a very deeply embedded puritanism that will take generations to clear, if ever. In European countries where the legal age was dropped, after WWII, in many cases to 14, and prostitution was regulated, to some extent realized, and sex seen as a normal activity, there is more tolerance towards sexual expression, from homosexuality to prostitution, but only in relatively small communities, not in society as a whole. One thing that is different is that we took not only the responsibility for sex education away from parents, but the decision, as well. In countries where this was done, the very basic first step, the teen birthrate dropped precipitously, as did the HIV infection rate. It turns out that for well educated youngsters - and I mean by that they have not only been acquainted with condoms and reproductive organs, we actually teach them how to have sex - there no longer is a forbidden fruit quality to sex, and they only give it up to who they want to give it up to, the peer pressure drops away. I know it is a long answer to a brief question, but that is the basis for the change - you can legalize all you want, but that does not mean the legislated know what to do with their new found freedom. For as long as half of the United States thinks that talking about abstinence somehow stops hormones, which have a very specific biological function, there's nothing you can do.

MistresseLotus -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/2/2008 8:56:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fizzgig168 MisstressRouge made a very interesting thread about Pro-Style and the stigmas that come with it. It got me thinking, but I didn't want to usurp her thread. So. Specifically: What's the connection to prostitution? Prostition is certainly looked down on, for any number of reasons, but I believe in large part because it is illegal. If prostitution were legalized do you guys think that it might cut back on the derogatory attitude towards sex workers in general, and/or lifestyle sex workers? If it was legalized.. would Prtos then include it in their sessions?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/2/2008 12:07:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus If it was legalized.. would Prtos then include it in their sessions? I don't think so, in a couple of countries in the world it is legal and you still find traditional Pro Dommes who do not include sex in their sessions, if it was legalized, I think it would be up to the women and not the law because from my understanding most of the dungeon busts in the US are on the basis of prostitution, even if no sex takes place, CBT can be constructed as prostitution because genitals are getting touched... Strapon because it is penetration (though I don't think a rubber dick is part of the Domme's body or an anus is a sexual organ, but I am not the law). Take a look at Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, etc. Prostitution is legal there and the Dommes still don't engage in sex (I'm sure there are exceptions) but most will just do domination.

MzMia -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/2/2008 12:11:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus If it was legalized.. would Prtos then include it in their sessions? I don't think so, in a couple of countries in the world it is legal and you still find traditional Pro Dommes who do not include sex in their sessions, if it was legalized, I think it would be up to the women and not the law because from my understanding most of the dungeon busts in the US are on the basis of prostitution, even if no sex takes place, CBT can be constructed as prostitution because genitals are getting touched... Strapon because it is penetration (though I don't think a rubber dick is part of the Domme's body or an anus is a sexual organ, but I am not the law). This may not be direct sex, but CBT and fucking someone with a strap-on and similar activity ARE sex acts, to most people. I think most people can agree that when you start fucking someone with a strap-on and charging them money, you are engaging in prostitution. If you want to cover all the "grey" area's just legalize prostitution. Grey area's include: Strap-on sex, CBT, hand jobs, face sitting, body worship, etc. Take a look at Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, etc. Prostitution is legal there and the Dommes still don't engage in sex (I'm sure there are exceptions) but most will just do domination.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/2/2008 12:31:09 PM)
Again, that is just the US.... As I said, I don't make the laws and I don't live in the US, so it doesn't really concern me and the question was (as far as I remember) not what is legal but if Pros would incorporate sex in their sessions, I don't think they would. As I said, take a look at Canada or various European countries where prostitution is legal, a Domme will usually not engage in sex with you despite the fact that she legally could, but she also doesn't have to worry about not being allowed to do anything because of legalities, in short, she can do CBT, she can use a strapon on a guy, etc.... As for face sitting, you will hardly find a Pro Domme who will do it naked and as far as I recall (could be wrong here) there hasn't been a single arrest because a Domme sat on somebody's face with a pair of jeans or leather or rubber pants.

DavanKael -> RE: Pro-Style Stigma - round 2. (11/2/2008 1:07:50 PM)
Hi, Fizzgig168---- No, I don't think legalization would have that much of an impact of the negative perception; America is so twisted about sex (And, not in a good way). For the record, though, I do think prostitution should be legalized. I am not a pro-Dom(-me) but I imagine some may be offended by the correlation between the idea of pro-Dom(-me)-ing and prostituation but that may be another thread entirely. Davan

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