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Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/16/2008 8:21:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find this downright fascinating.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7675193.stm
So, did the first amino acids form in volcanoes, or did they come from space?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/generalscience/amino_acids_020327.html

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/17/2008 11:37:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read the first link, I'll finish the other tomorrow or something. I think I see the correlation because there is definitely UV involved when an electric arc occurs.

When a gas is pumped or otherwise propelled up or down in the atmosphere, a static charge is developed. Even if that which is pumped is not ionic at all, there will exist a difference in potential.

While that happening on a large enough scale could possibly precipitate lightning, I see no scientific way the opposite could be true. That would be that lightning would precipitate a volcanic eruption. I could be wrong, but it seems pretty far fetched right now.

So these conditions would likely exist on any planet which Star Trek would call class M. There is a certain balance of energy absorbed, reflected and emitted which determines the climate. If the climate is right, what they seem to be saying is that the basic prerequisites for the formation of life would exist on all said planets.

Interesting hypothesis, but consider this : If the climate is not quite to the liking of our type of life, what type of life would develop ? We can't even fathom the idea of life forms so different than our own that we have trouble with some species' right on this very planet. Like the bacteria that thrives in superheated hot streams, which when they found they simply could not believe it survived. It was bacteria, but this was way hotter than any known bacteria could survive. I'll see if I can find a reference to it later.

Even right now other life forms thrive in environments that would kill us. There is life from the poles to the equator, but right now that's all we can see. Who can say that other life forms couldn't live in different conditions, those that would kill us ?

Yes I believe that there is life on other planets, and I also believe that they have not had contact with us for one of two reasons. One would be that they are unable, like us. Another would be that they simply don't want to.

All this taking some gas and a lightning bolt and eventually producing Man is interesting. But it did not happen overnight. Going through the whole process, just trying to understand it in it's entirety could take a lifetime and then some.

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 7:02:39 AM   
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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 7:04:38 AM   
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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 7:05:28 AM   
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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 7:07:07 AM   
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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 7:30:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah... God did it! (No further proof needed.) Now we must all mobilize to force the teaching of this fact in every science classroom across the nation! Anyone who opposes us will be labeled a godless heathen, and must be cast out into the wilderness!

Seriously, I favor the idea that the basic elements for life came here from space (panspermia)... the Earth's early, much more volitile enviroment just helped "cook" them to the point that the chemical reactions, that allowed life to start, took place.

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 10:38:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		No you have it all wrong...life started as clay when water moving through left membrane type walls...No wait... it was wave action on an ancient sea making foam with membranes...No wait life started in small compartments in iron sulphide rocks....No wait....Spontaneous Generation holds that organic life could and does arise from inorganic matter....No wait...Life started as a  chemical evolution...No Wait...

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 11:26:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I find this downright fascinating.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7675193.stm
So, did the first amino acids form in volcanoes, or did they come from space?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/generalscience/amino_acids_020327.html


A lot of people believe that Hippie, but in fact, life began in an overturned Coca Cola can.

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 1:04:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is something of the what-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg debate.  Where did matter and anti-matter come from?  What was going on before the big bang? 

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 1:28:51 PM   
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What was going on before the big bang? 


A big bong?

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 1:38:07 PM   
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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 1:45:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		  I like how scientists use the example of "primordial soup".  This proves that the supreme being is a Woman who was busy multi-tasking and making a hearty meal for her family with whatever meat and vegetables were in her kitchen. 

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 5:43:41 PM   
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Term, what have you been putting in your wheaties ?

kit, God or something made the laws of nature the laws of nature. Not only can we not understand that process, we don't even understand thw laws. In short, we are stoooooopid.

seeks, WRONG. DNA is mechanics, it's like a wench (oops wrench) fitting on a nut or bolt. If you seek a fem slave, you should really know about nuts and bolts.

Tigresse, yes my mouth watered as well. Christian fundies are very tasty. Would you share the liver with me ?

kit, when insanely proud, dammit, DO SOMETHING.

bipo, if you believe that life is derived from outer space fine, but then so is the Earth. Actually if you know what I meant by a class M planet, you see that we do not disagree. There is no way to disprove it therefor it is possible, however, if the building blocks of life are floating around in the vastness of space, from where did they come ?

kd, no wait, life came from this cesspool that Capitain Piccard destroyed ten thousand year in the future. Geez watch those Star Treak reruns.

Lookie, this is true, but what if it had been a Pepsi can, or a beetr can, or heaven forbid and Mountain Dew can !. I think it unwise to tamper with Mother nature in that way.

Vend, chicken and egge mean noithing. That evolution happened way before our time, and actual antimatter is only particles in an accelerator. It's not like there is another you in the world who, if you touch them the entire universe collapses. Don't get too big for your britches.

kit, I know the guy who had the big bong, but he got busted because he stole it. I wonder what he's doing today.

Raech, you kinda lost me there. Did you mean to say we had everything we need after the big bong ? Please clarify.

Vend, Men, normal Men and even me, make soup. So your gendercentric comment (which I like) was not really to the point.

See, I told you I had answers.

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 6:56:18 PM   
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Vend, chicken and egge mean noithing. That evolution happened way before our time, and actual antimatter is only particles in an accelerator. It's not like there is another you in the world who, if you touch them the entire universe collapses. Don't get too big for your britches.

Vend, Men, normal Men and even me, make soup. So your gendercentric comment (which I like) was not really to the point.

T


Term,
 
I was telling a joke, tried to make that clear by including the emoticon with the turnip bashing the guy who tried to pull him out the ground.  Of course real men can cook.  I am especially appreciative of those fine male chefs who wear only an apron in the kitchen.
 
Don't you make a famous batch of chili?  Do you think life could begin in the bottom of that pot?  Or is just your average family volcanoe in the kitchen? 
 
 

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 8:03:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Where did you hear about my chili ? The only claim to fame it has is that nobody can get enough of it. Chili science is like art, I can make it hot, oniony, garlicy, beany, meaty, tomatoey, anything you want.

But now that Hippie's thread has been hijacked to oblivion, does anyone want to talk about the OP ?

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 8:05:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dude, you talk about your cooking on here frequently.  I vote for life starting in that pot on your stove.

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/18/2008 8:05:12 PM   
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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/19/2008 2:11:09 AM   
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Only arskin.

By the way this is a serious scientific question, not one of sexual performance OK?
I dont want to hear about that kind of thing.

Just to add: Termy has got plenty of answers, the problem is they dont fit the questions.
and
The Miller experiment has been totally discredited. It was nothing more than an excercise to produce amino acids, the production of which is a minute step along the path  that terminates with the appearance of sentient life.
It is equivalent to a snail setting out on a round the world trip or a butterfly leaving New Zealand destined for London.

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RE: Did life on earth start in volcanoes? - 10/19/2008 2:23:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Where did you hear about my chili ? The only claim to fame it has is that nobody can get enough of it. Chili science is like art, I can make it hot, oniony, garlicy, beany, meaty, tomatoey, anything you want.

But now that Hippie's thread has been hijacked to oblivion, does anyone want to talk about the OP ?

T
Nah, not really. I'd rather talk about Chili. No beans. No tomatoes. Just meat, chiles, cebollas, aji, y masa harina de maiz. And herbs.

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