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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 6:50:08 AM

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I think that when most owners buy a dog that they do research the breed and ask questions. They just need to put a little effort into the training.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 7:06:39 AM

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I think that when most owners buy a dog that they do research the breed and ask questions. They just need to put a little effort into the training.

I disagree. Do you know how filled the Dalmatian Rescue organizations became after the non animated 101 Dalmatians came out? Or how filled St. Bernard Rescue became after "Beethoven?" Or the Border Collie Rescue after "Babe?" And now that silly Chihuahua movie - those rescue centers are filling up in droves, too.

People see "cute" and "fuzzy" and "Oh I want a dog that looks just like that" and have NO idea what they're getting themselves into. I think serious dog owners do research, but I think there are less serious, responsible owners than not. My sister just got involved with GSP (German Shorthair Pointer) rescue and fostered a dog who was completely wild, out of control, and so emaciated he could hardly stand. In three months she had this wild boy happy, fattened, loved, and learning boundaries. That breed rescue doesn't have room for anymore right now. Why? Because people think GSP's are cool looking, noble looking, the perfect size, the perfect short-hair, etc. And they have NO idea how intelligent they are, how much exercise they need, and how, without that exercise, they will tear your house and yard to shreds. Another friend headed up Brittany Spaniel for N. California. She ended up with four of them at home because there weren't enough homes to go around. People didn't understand the breed's needs and got fed up with the dog - - and off to the pound they went, in most cases. These rescue groups adopt them from the pound and provide foster homes until a permanent home is found. If not for these rescue groups, the number of euthanized pets - simply because the owner didn't bother to understand the breed - would be phenomenal (more so than it is now).

Sorry. I get on a soap box about such things. It's an issue I'm rather passionate about!

The list goes on, Ray. People get things because of aesthetics. When they realize the WORK involved, they give them up.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 7:06:45 AM

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i love the Dog Whisperer and my kids and i watch religiously. i agree with His methods and think He does a wonderful job. As for being called out by various organizations, well hate to break it but it happens to alot of people, and those organizations primarily pick on the one that happens to be in the public eye at the time. Not everyone will agree with His methods, and that's okay, to each his own. Even being a subbie, my dogs know i am the Alpha to them and it's a peaceful household. i can let them outside and they won't leave the yard, they come when thier called, and are very well behaved and happy.

And yes, He can shhhhhhhhhh me anytime He wants too!!! Actually just looking at me with those eyes is good too...LOL.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 7:13:55 AM

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i so agree with you!! i've raised, trained, hunted, showed and loved my labradors for years. They are also another breed that needs alot of attention and they can be neurotic (sp) if they are not properly cared for. i was involved with rescue work and still talk to and advice everyone who has a puppy of mine. AND if they can't keep it i take it back. i believe the breeders are at fault also for not properly screening their potential owners and making sure they do read about the breed and understand what they are getting themselves into. In my opinion, it's 25% the potential buyers and 75% breeders.

Errrr i'll get off my box too....LOL

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 7:24:59 AM

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I think that when most owners buy a dog that they do research the breed and ask questions. They just need to put a little effort into the training.

Speaking as one that works with several shelters, rehabilitates dogs with behaviour problems and always has a houseful of shelter dogs. Most people do NOT research the breed. They get cute, and what is in style. Hense the fad dogs of the moment, small dogs for women, pitbulls and similar breeds, for wanna-be-ganstas.

Many people that have dogs, should not have dogs.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 7:28:21 AM

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Speaking as one that works with several shelters, rehabilitates dogs with behaviour problems and always has a houseful of shelter dogs.

Side Note: I so envy the work you are able to do, LaT. I always said if I come into some money, I'm buying property and becoming a shelter. Keep up the awesome work...

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 7:49:42 AM

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I think that when most owners buy a dog that they do research the breed and ask questions. They just need to put a little effort into the training.

I disagree. Do you know how filled the Dalmatian Rescue organizations became after the non animated 101 Dalmatians came out? Or how filled St. Bernard Rescue became after "Beethoven?" Or the Border Collie Rescue after "Babe?" And now that silly Chihuahua movie - those rescue centers are filling up in droves, too.

People see "cute" and "fuzzy" and "Oh I want a dog that looks just like that" and have NO idea what they're getting themselves into. I think serious dog owners do research, but I think there are less serious, responsible owners than not. My sister just got involved with GSP (German Shorthair Pointer) rescue and fostered a dog who was completely wild, out of control, and so emaciated he could hardly stand. In three months she had this wild boy happy, fattened, loved, and learning boundaries. That breed rescue doesn't have room for anymore right now. Why? Because people think GSP's are cool looking, noble looking, the perfect size, the perfect short-hair, etc. And they have NO idea how intelligent they are, how much exercise they need, and how, without that exercise, they will tear your house and yard to shreds. Another friend headed up Brittany Spaniel for N. California. She ended up with four of them at home because there weren't enough homes to go around. People didn't understand the breed's needs and got fed up with the dog - - and off to the pound they went, in most cases. These rescue groups adopt them from the pound and provide foster homes until a permanent home is found. If not for these rescue groups, the number of euthanized pets - simply because the owner didn't bother to understand the breed - would be phenomenal (more so than it is now).

Sorry. I get on a soap box about such things. It's an issue I'm rather passionate about!

The list goes on, Ray. People get things because of aesthetics. When they realize the WORK involved, they give them up.

You are absolutely correct in all you said. I've worked with labrador retriever rescue for a few years and it's amazing and dis-heartening the number of dogs who are bought and then abandoned and discarded simply because the owners didn't have a clue what they were getting into. Makes my blood boil when I think about some of the dumbass dog owners out there.
My son owns a GSP and you're on the money as to their temperment. I own a black lab I took from another rescue in northern KY. This was one year old and would have been gassed in a couple more days if the rescue hadn't taken him. He's the most well behaved dog and affectionate dog I've ever owned and I've owned plenty. Some pics of him on my profile if anyone wants to take a look.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 7:51:14 AM

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I adore dogs. Seeing dogs that have been treated badly breaks my heart. I hate that people get dogs for all the wrong reasons then throw them away when they don't fit their pretty suburban house or behave like a toy stuffed animal, only coming out to play when it is convenient for them. Also.........SPAY AND NEUTER PEOPLE!!! My biggest pet peeve.

Most of the dogs I work with are german shepherds or shepherd mixes. It is my favourite breed, I adore their intelligence and sensitivity. But most large dogs of that type, rotts, pits, etc........are similar in many ways. They usually have very alpha temperments and need special handling.

Some of the worst behaved dogs are beginning to be the small breeds. They are "sooooooo cute" and end up soooooo SPOILED. Many of them have very territorial and aggressive temperments that are never checked. My minpin/papillion woulld be a holy terror if I let her. I have two large shepherd mixes that could crush her with one bite but she rules the house, all attitude and ears that one.

If I didn't have to actually work for a living, I would be much more involved in dog rescue and rehabilitation full time rather than the part time volunteer work now. It's not my profession, just a hobby and volunteer project. I often foster dogs and spend alot of my free time at several shelters, helping with special needs cases. I do it because I love it. I adore animals.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 9:37:47 AM

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I saw Cesar Milan and his wife at a symposium locally a couple of years ago. She wears the pants in that family. And man, is he SHORT!

On another note, I think more than half of dog behavior problems could be solved if people a) researched the breeds they bought and understood the needs of the breed and b) walked their dog. Most dogs are bored and don't get enough quality leash time. And too many people pick up small dogs when there is a problem and totally reinforce bad/fear behavior.

Most people buy dogs because they are "cute" and they know nothing about the breed. Sad to say there will be a whole new load of chihuahua's in rescue in a few months as kids run out needing to get a purse dog after seeing "Beverly Hills Chihuahua," and parents who do not do enough research to realize chihuahuas are not good dogs for kids.

I have no real dog training other than some volunteer work I do, but I still can't fathrom how people may get a dog without researching the needs of the animal.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 9:50:35 AM

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Knowledge of dog behavior and training techniques and correct application of it are paramount when owning a dog.
Besides Cesar's show, there are number of good programs about dogs on Animal Planet ...Good Dog U, Dog Tails, Breed All About It and Dog Town. In addition, books I highly recommend reading are The Other End of The Leash, Bones Would Rain From The Sky and Culture Clash.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 3:40:44 PM

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I love that show! Caesar is amazing. LadyLove purrs when he's on.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 11:02:49 PM

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La T,

I really admire you for doing volunteer work with animals. Like Nueva Vida when I someday have the space and right place my home will have shelter dogs and cats too.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 11:47:55 PM

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I watched an episode this summer while staying at a friends place. I loved at the break when he said something like, Stay submissive until we will be right back. Animals are amazing. People who love animals are amazing.

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/17/2008 11:53:27 PM

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Yeah, i decided not to get a dog, till could afford to give him/her enough space to roam around and time to take care of him

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/18/2008 12:01:33 AM

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As the owner of two lovely little dogs, I started watching a programme in the UK called Dog Borstal, where dogs and owners with problems get to stay in what looks like ex-Army barracks for a few days while they get coaching from dog training experts. I started watching it because my bichon frise is somewhat neurotic, and I wanted to get tips to help me deal with her (I got them, they worked!)

But now I'm hooked...there's an ex-police dog trainer called Mic Martin....drools....

He always dresses in black, he takes no shit, and he's so dominant it makes my panties fizz every time I see him. Yummy!

Any more Mic Martin fans out there? Although you can't have him...he's mine!

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RE: The Dog Whisperer - 10/18/2008 1:27:40 PM

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This type of impulse buying of dogs is too often the case. An animal is not a toy that can be put on a shelf and forgotten about. They need constant care and attention.

I know a couple who are infamous for buying "cute" animals that do not blend well with their bunch of large, unruly youngsters. The cockapoo was injured and one of the pure bred Persian cats became so fearful that she hid in the attic all the time.

Both had to be given away to other family members and rehabilitated.

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Most people buy dogs because they are "cute" and they know nothing about the breed. Sad to say there will be a whole new load of chihuahua's in rescue in a few months as kids run out needing to get a purse dog after seeing "Beverly Hills Chihuahua," and parents who do not do enough research to realize chihuahuas are not good dogs for kids.

I have no real dog training other than some volunteer work I do, but I still can't fathrom how people may get a dog without researching the needs of the animal.

Akasha

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