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CallaFirestormBW -> RE: speach (10/16/2008 5:59:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: housemouse61

i better look this up because i thought "out to dinner" was a prepositional phrase.  [;)]


Actually, I think you're right. I've been correcting way too many book chapters this week and my grammaticon is fried!




housemouse61 -> RE: speach (10/16/2008 8:21:11 PM)

Whew!  my old English professor can rest in peace, now.  *chuckles* [;)]




JustDarkness -> RE: speach (10/17/2008 4:34:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Usako

quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

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If I see third person or slashy speak, whatever, I just refuse to read the post.


Why is that? It doesn't make the person stupid.


To me it does and it makes me feel stupid to try and decipher the nonsense. BDSM is no excuse to butcher the English language.

Perhaps I'm just a Grammar Nazi. *shrugs*



lol....good reason

but even grammar from the books is static ( as learned at school). While real life grammar or speech is dynamic..and has changed before you learn it


ps.
I thought it was going out to "have" lunch .




ranja -> RE: speach (10/17/2008 5:13:48 AM)

you call yourself shewhoserves and you have to ask???




barelynangel -> RE: speach (10/17/2008 5:53:48 AM)

Other than the distinction that people expect to see posts in the first person because the view the boards is a concept of conversation dialogue and therefore, see it coming from a perspective of self.  Third person speech when utilized properly reads as if the observer of the poster's post is reading a books and therefore, the text should not be confusing at all in a context sense, other than the observer expecting to see first person because the observer presumes the post is the opinion of the poster, and therefore, they are conditioned to look for first person to form the perspective of personal opinion.  The issue that is seen is the idea third person speak is the replacement of i, me, my of the poster with another form of identification such as this girl, it, her etc without changing the sentence structure to accomodate the change.  Many people who attempt to speak in 3rd person also become pronoun happy and that is also not the understanding of third person. When speaking in third person, it is wise to remember that its not about replacement but speaking in a way that allows the observer to read or listen with a third person ear, and should not be confusing at all as to what the context of the statement is.

Other than the distinction that people expect to see me posting in the first person because the view the boards is a concept of conversation dialogue and therefore, see it coming from a perspective that when i speak i am doing so as myself.  Third person speech when utilized properly reads as if the observer of my posts is reading a book and therefore, the text should not be confusing at all in a context sense, other than the observer expecting to see "me" the poster within the post because observer presumes the post is my opinion, and therefore, they are conditioned to look for me to be apparent in the perspective of personal opinion.  The issue that I see is the idea third person speak is the replacement of i, me, my of the poster with another form of identification such as this girl, it, her etc without changing the sentence structure to accomodate the change. Many people who attempt to speak in 3rd person also become pronoun happy and that is also not my understanding of third person. When speaking in third person, I know it is wise to remember that its not about replacement but speaking in a way that allows the observer to read or listen with a third person ear to what i am saying, and should not be confusing at all as to what the context of the statement is.

quote:

I'm going out to dinner with my Master
This girl is going out to dinner with her Master

Master is taking his girl out to dinner.
Master is taking me out to dinner.


Master is going out to dinner and taking along his property.
When going to dinner tonight, Master is allowing his girl to accompany him.
As a reward, Master has decided to take angel out to dinner.
Master has chosen to take his girl to dinner tonight.

Just a few examples of how it can not be confusing in context or the flow of the reading.  The only thing that will have people stopping and pausing is not that they don't understand what is being said but will take a split second to recognize that the poster is speak of what is happening to her.  The jist is the speaker and writer is not replacing herself  with an obscure, she is completely removing the concept of identifying as herself and placing herself in the obscure land of not being self.

When speaking in the third person, the observer of the post should not say oh, she is speaking in third person, but instead simply see a different style of writing that is perfectly understandable.

When I am speaking in the third person, the observer reading my posts should not say, oh, she is speaking in third person, but instead simply see my writing as a different style that is still perfectly understandable.

angel




LookieNoNookie -> RE: speach (10/17/2008 4:55:03 PM)


Speech.




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: speach (10/17/2008 5:51:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo

were they goreans, or do you know?

Why is that the first assumption that is made in regards to slaves/submissives who speak in 3rd person? All of the Goreans that I know in real life do NOT practice this online or in person. Hell, if you check the boards right here, you would find that many of the kajira do not speak in 3rd person; nor do many of the owners condone such speech.



why so defensive? 

it seemed like a logical question to me.  sure i never see people do it in person either, but i never knowingly encountered any goreans in person either.  i do however see it on their board, and a hell of a lot more than i see it anywhere else.

and if i had assumed i'd have simply said it was them, not asked. /shrug




JustDarkness -> RE: speach (10/18/2008 12:22:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo
i do however see it on their board, and a hell of a lot more than i see it anywhere else.



because they use it the most..especially online.
It seperates them from the rest..and mostly they are more strict with rules in general and ettiquette and such.

Some Gorean forums I have been on...the slaves are only allowed to speak in 3rd.
The weird thing is..the online Gorean world..often changes the rules compared to the books. (the 3rd person is not needed unless a MAster orders the kajira to speak like that.)
(causes fights between real life Goreans en online Goreans......)

anyway..people should do what makes them happy....
First thing I do when a gorean slave talks to me in 3rd..I tell her to stop.




myotherself -> RE: speach (10/18/2008 1:20:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy

speach? didn't Popeye eat that?


duh...nope!  That wuz spinitch!!!    [8|]


*that whirring and rustling sound you hear is my old teacher of English spinning in his grave...*





shewhoserves -> RE: speach (10/18/2008 1:25:08 AM)

speech.. speach.. typo  Get Over it!




myotherself -> RE: speach (10/18/2008 1:46:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: shewhoserves

speech.. speach.. typo  Get Over it!


In a thread which has turned into a grammatical free-for-all, a little humour should creep in now and then....

I'm over it (whatever 'it' may be) - your turn!




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: speach (10/18/2008 7:49:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

quote:

ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo
i do however see it on their board, and a hell of a lot more than i see it anywhere else.



because they use it the most..especially online.
It seperates them from the rest..and mostly they are more strict with rules in general and ettiquette and such.

Some Gorean forums I have been on...the slaves are only allowed to speak in 3rd.
The weird thing is..the online Gorean world..often changes the rules compared to the books. (the 3rd person is not needed unless a MAster orders the kajira to speak like that.)
(causes fights between real life Goreans en online Goreans......)

anyway..people should do what makes them happy....
First thing I do when a gorean slave talks to me in 3rd..I tell her to stop.


when i was reading it, it implied that often this way of speaking was only used when a slave either belonged to no one at the time, or a master might have them use this way of speech  as a form of punishment.  i'm not familiar enough with it to know most of the ins and outs though.

cheers




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