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How Obama chose Biden - 10/15/2008 6:11:25 PM

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http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/20/081020fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all

They've been in touch since January on a twice-a-week basis.

Makes McCain look incredibly impetuous by contrast.

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/15/2008 6:45:26 PM

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Crap. I thought he used eenie meenie miney moe.

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 12:02:38 AM

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http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/20/081020fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all

They've been in touch since January on a twice-a-week basis.

Makes McCain look incredibly impetuous by contrast.

Historically I'm not sure that would be what the record shows....I seem to recall that the VP pick was often done at the nominating convention! However, that was done before we had a primary that started after inauguration day...
so times may have changed somewhat...I also think the McCain campaign had been preparing for a Hillary candidacy and Palin was a decision reached based on what they felt the needs were at the time to solidify the base, attract some Hillary supporters (Palin raised $500,000 THIS WEEK from former Hillary supporters, contrary to what the media is saying about her...and there have been some polls that 17% of former Hillary supporters will be voting for McCain. So quite possibly, McCain is a guy who can think on his feet, make a decision, and be right unlike the careful, analytical Obama who studies, polls, consults, and whatever else, prior to making a decision. A President has to be able to think and act quickly...and correctly. Dontcha think it wa a good pick by McCain...?
Who could have turned his campaign around and energized it more than Palin?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/14/clinton-supporters-aid-palin/

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 1:11:11 AM

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(Palin raised $500,000 THIS WEEK from former Hillary supporters,

Well, I'm stunned. McCain's campaign has agreed to accept public funding so neither he nor Palin are allowed to raise money. Are you saying that the McCain campaign is violating campaign finance law which McCain, himself, helped to get enacted?

"Contributions to Major Party Nominees in the General Election
A major party nominee who has accepted public funding for the general election may not accept any contributions to further his election. You may, however, help a publicly funded nominee by contributing to the candidate's compliance fund. A compliance fund is a special account maintained by publicly funded nominees solely for paying legal and accounting expenses incurred in complying with the campaign finance law. You may contribute up to $2,300 to the compliance fund of a major party nominee."

After doing some of my own research edited to add: Well, I thought that you were actually correct in saying that Palin raised $500,000 which, of course, would have landed her ass in severe hot water if it were true. Palin did not raise any money. It was actually Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild who spearheaded the fund-raiser. You might think about retracting your statement that Palin raised $ since it's, you know, illegal for her to do so. If you're wrong about this, Cory, is it possible that you have been wrong about other things as well?

Just askin'.

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 4:22:14 AM

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Dontcha think it wa a good pick by McCain...?
Who could have turned his campaign around and energized it more than Palin?

It was a fantastic pick. It certainly turned his campaign around, though not in the direction you seem to think. I am not sure he could have picked anyone else who could of sunk him as fast.

K

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 4:30:13 AM

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Well, I'm stunned. McCain's campaign has agreed to accept public funding so neither he nor Palin are allowed to raise money. Are you saying that the McCain campaign is violating campaign finance law which McCain, himself, helped to get enacted?

I don't know anything about the $500k thing, but it is true that the McCain campaign is taking advantage of the available loopholes in the campaign finance law by raising "soft money" for the GOP, and they're spending that money on ads and such to support McCain. The party ads can't specifically say "Vote for McCain", they have to be "issue ads", but we all know what a farce the whole issue ad thing is.

I guess I don't blame McCain for doing this. It's technically within the rules and he needs all the help he can get $-wise. Without this soft money, he'll almost certainly lose. On the other hand, he cowrote/sponsored these particular rules. His specific intention was to limit the use of soft money and issue ads - they were the central focus of the law. He is enthusiastically doing the very thing that he fought so hard to put an end to. I'm very uncomfortable with that.

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 4:34:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: corysub

(Palin raised $500,000 THIS WEEK from former Hillary supporters,

Well, I'm stunned. McCain's campaign has agreed to accept public funding so neither he nor Palin are allowed to raise money. Are you saying that the McCain campaign is violating campaign finance law which McCain, himself, helped to get enacted?

"Contributions to Major Party Nominees in the General Election
A major party nominee who has accepted public funding for the general election may not accept any contributions to further his election. You may, however, help a publicly funded nominee by contributing to the candidate's compliance fund. A compliance fund is a special account maintained by publicly funded nominees solely for paying legal and accounting expenses incurred in complying with the campaign finance law. You may contribute up to $2,300 to the compliance fund of a major party nominee."

After doing some of my own research edited to add: Well, I thought that you were actually correct in saying that Palin raised $500,000 which, of course, would have landed her ass in severe hot water if it were true. Palin did not raise any money. It was actually Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild who spearheaded the fund-raiser. You might think about retracting your statement that Palin raised $ since it's, you know, illegal for her to do so. If you're wrong about this, Cory, is it possible that you have been wrong about other things as well?

Just askin'.

I think you might re-read the rules. On the other hand, are you trying to say that the thousands of lawyers looking for work in an Obama Administration "missed" this opportunity to bring federal charges against the McCain campaign. I'm not an attorney, but people who are, people who KNOW the law, people who live off the government teat, do know it a lot better than you or I, and would be all over EVERY fund raiser held..DONTACHA THINK? Rather than cut and paste some clause, if you think you have found the silver bullet, you should walk, not run to the nearest Obama headquarters and turn in the McCain campaign. Hey, I seem to recall that Obama went to some school in the eastern USA for a law degree...kinda think he might be at least a bit familiar with the guidelines for fundraising under the rules...BETHCHA.... Too funny!

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 4:50:11 AM

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Dontcha think it wa a good pick by McCain...?
Who could have turned his campaign around and energized it more than Palin?

It was a fantastic pick. It certainly turned his campaign around, though not in the direction you seem to think. I am not sure he could have picked anyone else who could of sunk him as fast.

K

I guess you don't see the overflowing crowds of adoring Palin supporters in every venue she appears...and withhout a rock group or Bruce Springsteen as a warm up act to reel in the kids. We can throw "words" at each other all day, but in the final analysis, it's the independent voter, the moms in middle America, the parents of children with special needs, the citizens of the USA with a more middle to right of center philosophy, who will determine the outcome of the election...and Sarah will help, big time. Basically, America is a moderate to conservative country..and when people get into the booths and have to pull a lever, make an mark on a piece of paper, or touch a screen...when it really counts...not on what the TV pundits, or the New York Times. The major question is not the acceptance of Sarah Palin as VP...but as Obama as a man with the experience to perform and the judgement to make and execute some of the most important descions a President ha had to make. Thus far, the man has done nothing but play to the fears and needs of Americans in these difficult times...a formula that works for a campaign, but does it mean he will be the kind of man YOU...(not you..) want to lead the country? That's the choice voters will make in November.

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 4:56:32 AM

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Cory

Your too funny.

K

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 5:55:06 AM

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Cory

Your too funny.

K

Thanks for the compliment Playful....one of the nicest things that has been said about one of my postings.
So that I might be able to repeat this performance, could you single out what comments I made that were
particularly funny so I can repeat them and blow the libs here away with laughter? Their world needs a smile.

Thanks again....have a great day! xxxx

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 6:04:01 AM

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Cory,

It's the blind man in a dark room, claiming to see the light bit you do.

Hilarious

K

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 6:57:06 AM

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Cory,

It's the blind man in a dark room, claiming to see the light bit you do.

Hilarious

K

You know...I think we could be friends...the only way to keep sane in these times is to retain a sense of humor.
This too shall pass.. and in six months we will be posting about totally different topics..heck..maybe in six weeks!

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 9:15:32 AM

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I think you might re-read the rules. On the other hand, are you trying to say that the thousands of lawyers looking for work in an Obama Administration "missed" this opportunity to bring federal charges against the McCain campaign.

No, I'm saying that you lied. Palin did not raise the money. If Palin HAD raised the money, then yes, I have no doubt what so ever that the National Committee would have been interested in such an action.

quote:

I'm not an attorney, but people who are, people who KNOW the law, people who live off the government teat, do know it a lot better than you or I, and would be all over EVERY fund raiser held..DONTACHA THINK?

No, I don't.

quote:

Rather than cut and paste some clause, if you think you have found the silver bullet, you should walk, not run to the nearest Obama headquarters and turn in the McCain campaign.

Actually, you're the one proclaimed the silver bullet as you term it, Cory. You're the one who brought forth the information that Palin had raised $500,000 which was a lie. You can bet your ass if I thought either side was engaging in such illegal activities, that's exactly what I would do. Wouldn't you?

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 11:29:06 AM

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Cory,

It's the blind man in a dark room, claiming to see the light bit you do.

Hilarious

K

You know...I think we could be friends...the only way to keep sane in these times is to retain a sense of humor.
This too shall pass.. and in six months we will be posting about totally different topics..heck..maybe in six weeks!

Nah Cory, in six months you will be posting derogatory analyisis of President Obama'a first one hundred days...lets hope you're as funny then....LOL

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 11:31:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: corysub

I think you might re-read the rules. On the other hand, are you trying to say that the thousands of lawyers looking for work in an Obama Administration "missed" this opportunity to bring federal charges against the McCain campaign.

No, I'm saying that you lied. Palin did not raise the money. If Palin HAD raised the money, then yes, I have no doubt what so ever that the National Committee would have been interested in such an action.

quote:

I'm not an attorney, but people who are, people who KNOW the law, people who live off the government teat, do know it a lot better than you or I, and would be all over EVERY fund raiser held..DONTACHA THINK?

No, I don't.

quote:

Rather than cut and paste some clause, if you think you have found the silver bullet, you should walk, not run to the nearest Obama headquarters and turn in the McCain campaign.

Actually, you're the one proclaimed the silver bullet as you term it, Cory. You're the one who brought forth the information that Palin had raised $500,000 which was a lie. You can bet your ass if I thought either side was engaging in such illegal activities, that's exactly what I would do. Wouldn't you?

I can't help it,and I apologise to your man.... but I get all hot and bothered with each and every one of your post's.....what a woman!!!!!!

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 1:01:36 PM

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"quote Bita Trouble
Actually, you're the one proclaimed the silver bullet as you term it, Cory. You're the one who brought forth the information that Palin had raised $500,000 which was a lie. You can bet your ass if I thought either side was engaging in such illegal activities, that's exactly what I would do. Wouldn't you?
quote"

You know..I keep getting notes from the moderator here and have had several posts spiked because she said I was "personally attacking"
someone... You call me a liar..and bold face the font.... and that seems to be ok... Tell me..do you think 1,000 people showed up for dinner because they like "rubber chicken"..or to see McCain with his exciting running mate Palin? I might make a mistake in data, or inadevertently leaving something out of an essay...but LIE? I would rather just stop posting here and go to other venues if we can't have constructive chats here..different views, of course...that's what makes our democracy so great. There is life after CM.

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 1:04:04 PM

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I think most would prefer you stop posting.

That being said, in this day of politics, a $1000 a plate is really nothing (sad but true)

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 1:29:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: corysub

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

Cory,

It's the blind man in a dark room, claiming to see the light bit you do.

Hilarious

K

You know...I think we could be friends...the only way to keep sane in these times is to retain a sense of humor.
This too shall pass.. and in six months we will be posting about totally different topics..heck..maybe in six weeks!

Nah Cory, in six months you will be posting derogatory analyisis of President Obama'a first one hundred days...lets hope you're as funny then....LOL

Heck..I can post that now...!!   We know what his first 100 days are going to look like...

Day 1: Meet with Pelosi and Reid
Day 2: Pelosi and Reid simultanesously bring the "2009 Fairness Doctrine Bill" to the floor of the House and
           Senate.
Day 3: The new head of the Justice Department, Keith Obermann announces criminal investigations of Sarah
           Palin's ten year old daughter accused of picking endangered plants from the thundra.
Day 4: Obama orders General Petraeus to start the exodus of U.S. Troops from Iraq.
Day 5: Obama starts a new search for a general to replace General Petraeus who just announced his retirement.
Day 6:  Joe Biden finally found...stuck in the Amtrak tunnel between Baltimore and Washington, D.C. Full scale
           Justice Department investigation launched with one theory being he was victim of a possible Rush Limbough
           kidnap attempt to fend of a vote on the "Fairness Doctrine".
Day 7: Over a thousand former Hillary Clinton supporters who attended a McCain/Palin dinner in NYC are sent
            letters of inquiry and being audited by the Department of Revenue, Internal Revenue Service.
Day 8: The Jerimiah Wright stamp is approved for issuance in February.
Day 9: Bill Ayers appointed custodian of the Capital Building.
Day 10:Tony Rezko pardoned and put in charge of HUD.

      Excuse me I have to take some meds...

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 1:45:48 PM

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"quote Bita Trouble
Actually, you're the one proclaimed the silver bullet as you term it, Cory. You're the one who brought forth the information that Palin had raised $500,000 which was a lie. You can bet your ass if I thought either side was engaging in such illegal activities, that's exactly what I would do. Wouldn't you?
quote"

You know..I keep getting notes from the moderator here and have had several posts spiked because she said I was "personally attacking"
someone... You call me a liar..and bold face the font.... and that seems to be ok... Tell me..do you think 1,000 people showed up for dinner because they like "rubber chicken"..or to see McCain with his exciting running mate Palin? I might make a mistake in data, or inadevertently leaving something out of an essay...but LIE? I would rather just stop posting here and go to other venues if we can't have constructive chats here..different views, of course...that's what makes our democracy so great. There is life after CM.

Attacking what you wrote is not the same thing as attacking you. I attacked the statement that Palin raised $500,000 because it's a lie. I've pointed out the truth to people so they can judge for themselves whether or not Palin violated campaign finance laws. Since it is a fact that Palin did not raise that $ for the campaign, it's my belief that she did not violate that law.

Two posts on the same subject pointing out the same thing is my limit. After that it's nothing more than beating a dead horse, so I'm done and moving on. If you feel that I've attacked you, report the post and I'll abide by whatever decision the mods make in this regard. Seems simple to me.

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RE: How Obama chose Biden - 10/16/2008 3:00:40 PM

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Well Cory,with the numbers the way they are,and with your obvious disregard for facts anyway...you might as well get a start on all the threads we have coming our way during an Obama Presidency....hell just shoot from the hip it's what your candidate does!!!!!

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