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PanthersMom -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 8:38:25 AM)

we've bartered our talents for those of others here and there over the years, it works out well when there are enough people to participate.  there for awhile we had a babysitting exchange worked out with friends of ours too.  that was really nice, no paying for sitters and a set schedule for who had the kids and when.
PM




dawntreader -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 9:48:25 AM)

i barter for healthcare and wellness because i cannot afford medical insurance. Not too sure i will be filling a 1099B for that~




JumpingJax -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 10:06:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

i barter for healthcare and wellness because i cannot afford medical insurance. Not too sure i will be filling a 1099B for that~


We did this. Although I won't mention the dollar amount as up until now never considered the tax piece of this. But we were able to get some serious dental work done for my sub by building a website for a dentist and providing support over 5 years - Wonder if that means I can divide up the retail value of the barter over a 5 year period.





Termyn8or -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 10:24:20 AM)

PM, OK, I didn't bring up the IRS, someone else did, but now that we're here....

If each of the adults had a licensed daycare, they would be pretty much forced to be taxpayers. It would be very difficult, probably impossible to claim that the goods or services would not be taxable because they come from a for profit enterprise. The license probably also states that. Ever wonder why many different forms of licenses have a statement to that effect ? That is because the tax man can be fought, and beaten, and has been.

But now if you were a good little sheeple and reported your windfall to your greatest benefactor, the IRS, the reverse might become true, that BECAUSE you paid tax on it, it then falls under all the rules and regulations set forth for a licensed facility. How do you like them apples ? It is in the law I assure you. If you assign a value to a service, you might just come under that scrutiny. People are unaware because they don't go after the small fish.

Let's say you decide to setup a preschool. Keep it simple, get your neighbor with the biggest garage and buy some chairs. If the government finds out they will be all over you like stink on shit.

dawn t, how do you barter for anything medical ? I mean I could see going to a healthfood store and trading some handmade crafts or other goods for some supplements, perhaps even a chiropractor or even a doctor who is a private practitioner. But alot of docs work at hospitals now and hospitals only take money. Even a private doc has to book time for a surgery, which costs money if it can't be done at his office.

Barter is a great idea, and I am glad to hear about it working out well, but it is damn hard to implement.

T




kdsub -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 10:40:18 AM)

I'm sure it has been done already but someone could make a few dollars hosting a barter website. I'd love to barter my services but it is often hard to match needs.

Butch




Termyn8or -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 10:50:33 AM)

Jax, you got in edgewise.

My advice to you is to just shut up. I don't mean here, now, I mean keep your lip zipped and breeze on through it.

"is based on voluntary compliance"

Those words appear in the first line of the IRS code.

Actually a bit more on the subject. Even building webpages as long as they don't have your SSN or tax ID# you can usually forget about the IRS.

There are alot of loopholes and I will help anyone pay less, or nothing if possible as long as it won't land them in jail. It's a dangerous game, but I've been in worse.

Sometimes you can play within their game, I have to throw a kudos at my Dad, who got over ten grand back for his buddy. The guy shows up and asks, the olman says sure I'll do your taxes. After all the guy did loan him a bunch of money, which at the time, was not completely paid back. So the olman takes a look and get it filed but noticed something. There were quite a few deductions not taken. Thank you HR Block, for not asking the right questions. He filed three years back on federal and four years back on state. His buddy flipped him a grand for doing that, not bad for about I'd say five hours of filling out forms. There's one thing about the IRS, they have no problem collecting money that is not due, if any really is. Yes some is, but those loophholes are there for a reason. They are not meant for us commoners, but them being there makes it all perfectly legal.

I'd love to live my life on barter as much as possible. I would cut my hours at work to the point where I could pay utilities and such, and possibly a small slush fund. Everything else I would be willing to trade for. I think it would be great.

T




kdsub -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 10:54:14 AM)

We once had a local PBS fund raiser where people donated bartered services...then people would bid on them. Worked great.

Butch




dawntreader -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 4:34:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


dawn t, how do you barter for anything medical ? I mean I could see going to a healthfood store and trading some handmade crafts or other goods for some supplements, perhaps even a chiropractor or even a doctor who is a private practitioner. But alot of docs work at hospitals now and hospitals only take money. Even a private doc has to book time for a surgery, which costs money if it can't be done at his office.

Barter is a great idea, and I am glad to hear about it working out well, but it is damn hard to implement.

T

Hi T,
 
Obviously, i can't barter all my healthcare so i work out payment plans :-)
 
However, i am a licensed massage therapist so i work closely with other healthcare professionals, primarily chiropractors, acunpuncturists, energy workers, personal trainers and ofcourse other massage therapists.
 
Because i cannot afford health insurance incase i get sick, disease or injury, i practice preventitive healthcare. This is what i barter for~
 
i actually barter quite a bit for many things outside of healthcare as well. Groceries and prepared meals are 2 of the primary things i receive in exchange for my skills when monies are tight. i have also made 2 moves bartering my massage skills for brawn [:)]




NuevaVida -> RE: The Barter System (10/14/2008 8:39:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I'm sure it has been done already but someone could make a few dollars hosting a barter website. I'd love to barter my services but it is often hard to match needs.

Butch


That's an awesome idea...




NeedToUseYou -> RE: The Barter System (10/15/2008 2:59:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

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ORIGINAL: proudsub

Keep in mind that in most cases you should be paying taxes on the value of  what you received in exchange for services. 


LOL. (truly, I did lol, at that, that is to funny). Pay for an unprovable exchange. LOL. Oh yeah, let's get right on that.



Sure your neighbor brings over their steam cleaning machine and cleans all of your carpets, you paint their garage, you can laugh at the thought of reporting that.  Ask all of the people who got rung up by the IRS in the barter clubs if they are laughing. 

K


Well, the number of people I would "barter" with are mostly related, or I've known them for years, and we don't really keep track of it. In my world it would be help paint garage in september, then I need help with a fence in March. It isn't an explicit arrangement. More like helping each other, and if you just say that is what you were doing, and there isn't any contract or explicit guarantee for services I don't think that qualifies, unless helping other people is a taxable activity, and if that is the case, then that would truly be crazy, and I just would not pay it.






proudsub -> RE: The Barter System (10/15/2008 9:24:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

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ORIGINAL: proudsub

Keep in mind that in most cases you should be paying taxes on the value of  what you received in exchange for services. 


LOL. (truly, I did lol, at that, that is to funny). Pay for an unprovable exchange. LOL. Oh yeah, let's get right on that.



I should of clarified my comment some.  I was referring to businesses that exchange services that they normally would be paid for.  If someone does accounting for a living and trades their services for salon servies then the value of the salon services is taxable as income to the accountant and vica versa.  Hubby has written software for ski areas and golf courses and part of his compensatin has been in season passes and free golf.  We always have declared that as income.




Lorr47 -> RE: The Barter System (10/15/2008 10:19:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

I'd barter my rugged handsomeness. 


Just watch out as to the number of towels you use.  The IRS has estimated income based on such things as the number of towels used. 




sub4hire -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 7:18:56 AM)

We do favor's for one another.  I guess you could call it bartering.  In the spring we are helping one another do each other's roof's.  We have more than one roof so we will make out.

We're not doing it because we want to but out of necessity.  We need a roof.  There are no contractors worth doing it around.  So, its either adopt a roofer from somewhere else or do it ourselves.  Our neighbor put his last roof on 10 years ago when he couldn't find anyone to hire.





pahunkboy -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 7:53:02 AM)

Gloria, Bill a buddy has a mob of people from online coming to do his roof from all alround the country. Of course, I want to see how it works.

Say my family is together.  we all go into mode.  we all do something toward to effort.  my brother fixing thing, mom cooking, me on dishes,  someone on cleaning, someone on paper work- someone on advice..all  in flux ---  if you arent helping then you are ill.  slacking isnt tolerated if it becomes a habit.  

On the IRS, I do not recommend writing protest stuff.    Best to blend in.  You have 3 (or is it 4) written notices before they freeze accounts.
one has no rights with the IRS.  I dont make the rules- just posting.




windchymes -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 8:00:55 AM)

I'm in the process of purchasing a fixer-upper home and I'm going to offer blow jobs for drywall right now.  [:-]

Ok, seriously, I love bartering.  Once I fixed some broken jewelry for a co-worker who makes homemade jellies and jams, so I got some delicious apple butter for a simple task.  I've baby-sat for hair care, weeded gardens for more hair care, painted rooms for help moving.  I think it's a great system, and a great money-saver. 




pahunkboy -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 8:22:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

I'm in the process of purchasing a fixer-upper home and I'm going to offer blow jobs for drywall right now.  [:-]

Ok, seriously, I love bartering.  Once I fixed some broken jewelry for a co-worker who makes homemade jellies and jams, so I got some delicious apple butter for a simple task.  I've baby-sat for hair care, weeded gardens for more hair care, painted rooms for help moving.  I think it's a great system, and a great money-saver. 



yeah- those dry wall guys are hot!  




windchymes -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 8:40:17 AM)

Yeah, but do I have to deep throat, or can I get by with a kiss and a hand job? [;)]




pahunkboy -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 9:27:38 AM)

heck why not go for a complete home renovation???


;-)

dry wall is driving me crazy.   the blue bedroom the last people put huge holes in all the walls.  trying to keep the orignal grandeur, and yet imporve is a challenge. that room IS drywall but other rooms are that wonderfuLLLLLLLLL plaster.  the type if you sneaze a hairline crack happens- shut the door and the crack gets bigger. 

you should see my attemted patch jobs.  i did better at pottery in high school-




Musicmystery -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 9:46:55 AM)

My favorite part of the tax code---you can find this in the instructions in the booklet the IRS sends---is that you are required to report income from illegal activities.

"Oh honey, don't forget to declare that million from the bank heist last summer!"

Yeah.

Does that go under "earned income" or "capital gains?"




Vendaval -> RE: The Barter System (10/18/2008 1:35:46 PM)

That is amusing, MM.  Like all the drug smugglers and bookies are going to report their earnings.  Not!
 
I forgot to mention freecyle.org where people trade or give away stuff for free, furniture, materials, tools, household and gardening equipment, etc.




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