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DomKen -> Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 9:21:15 AM)

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Its only a matter of time before the entire nation embraces freedom for all.




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 9:26:34 AM)

i'm surprised the religous community didn't fight it more (they have always screamed in the past against such things).




DomMeinCT -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 9:35:07 AM)

Actually, they had a big rally against same-sex marriage two weeks ago.
They left a flyer with my Rabbi, asking him to circulate it within my congregation and he declined.

(Edited for a typo.)




Arpig -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 9:40:42 AM)

3 down....47 to go




bipolarber -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 9:43:29 AM)

Finally, one bit of good news!





slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 11:14:58 AM)

Oh no, there goes the sanctity of marriage.....my heavens what shall we do?




PanthersMom -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 11:21:51 AM)

my thoughts exactly!!
PM




slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 12:15:19 PM)

I was being facetious,hope you were too




PlayfulOne -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 12:31:09 PM)

One can only hope at some point this stops being an issue and everyone has the rights they deserve.

K




DomMeinCT -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 8:59:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

3 down....47 to go


Florida has a lot riding in November - the constitutional amendment includes a ban on both same-sex marriage as well as civil unions.




TheHeretic -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 9:57:19 PM)

        I take no pleasure in saying it, Ken, but they are going to take it back in CA.




DomKen -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/10/2008 10:54:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

       I take no pleasure in saying it, Ken, but they are going to take it back in CA.

Last I looked the polls weren't encouraging but we'll see.

BTW just out of curiousity why do you support politicians who pander to the anti gay bigots?




ScooterTrash -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 5:14:34 AM)

Good for them! It will be a long battle but maybe, just maybe, the Gov't (& churches) will eventually realize they have other matters to tend to, rather than try to regulate people's social preferences.




pahunkboy -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 7:31:07 AM)

in Qubec they had a "more drunk, less married" fest= it seems a segment of the movement doesnt want the sleazy days to end.

tho- I do wonder- that bars make more when people party alot...instead of stay and make a home together.




TheHeretic -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 8:25:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

BTW just out of curiousity why do you support politicians who pander to the anti gay bigots?



           That would be both sides in this election, Ken...

       But to answer the question, probably for the very same reason you support politicians who pander to the victim and entitlement mentalities.  It's a two-party system, and I think this side has the better methodology.  I also place a lot of faith in the checks and balances. [;)] 


      




slvemike4u -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 8:33:02 AM)

Yep,those same checks and balences that kept our present President from shredding and disregarding constitutional protections against invasions of our privacy....good luck with that!




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 9:49:59 AM)

My question is "Why are we even allowing the government to decide who can and can't marry?" Since when should the government (any government) get to decide which versions of human relationships are sanctioned, and which ones are not?

I've heard the bullshit about "It's for the -children-!"... Bunk. We have generations of history throughout the world that children who are raised in communal households, extended families, and loving cooperative village settings, with free access to multiple parental-types, grandparental types, sibling types, auntie and uncle types fare better and are at least as socially capable and make -at least- as good of citizens as children raised in nuclear families, -and- are less subject to poverty, isolation, and economic traumas, because they have a larger pool of caregivers on which to lean. Children of these types of situations have been shown to have -better- survival and social skills than "only children" raised in nuclear families, and children of those 'only child' households have a greater tendency to neurosis and depression than their communally-raised counterparts.

The only people that government-regulated marriage benefit are the people who insist on co-mingling religion and politics. Give marriage back to the individuals. Then, if they want it to be a religious ceremony with concrete religious meaning, they can go to their church and get what they want -- and keep their noses out of other peoples' marriage contracts.

1. Insurance: Allow individuals to select either 'individual' insurance or "small group" plans. Charge X number of dollars for an additional person added to a policy, then Y number of dollars for each additional person, regardless of relationship.

2. Inheritance: Require declaration of inheritance by will for all individuals. Abolish 'automatic' inheritance. Require individuals to accept that they are mortal, and make plans for their eventual demise.

3. Child support: Being listed as a 'parent' on a child's birth certificate is already sufficient grounds to petition for child support, regardless of marital status, therefore, there is no reason that marriage should be perceived as any greater fiscal protection for a child than acknowledged parental status is. Paternity/maternity testing can be an excellent tool for dealing with adults who choose not to accept responsibility for their offspring. Open up adoption to any household willing and able to care for a child, regardless of marital status, which will alleviate at least some of the strain on our overwhelmed foster-care and adoption systems.

Just a few thoughts, for now.

Calla Firestorm




PlayfulOne -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 11:27:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomMeinCT
Florida has a lot riding in November - the constitutional amendment includes a ban on both same-sex marriage as well as civil unions.


Proposition 2.  It has to have 60% of the vote to pass and right now it seems to be teetering on about 55%.  Personally I will be voting no.  No big surprise but the majority of support for the amendment is from the republican base.  What is a surprise is even thought the NAACP is against the amendment the black churches are trying hard to have it passed.  Not for religious motives but they are offended that another group should have the protection and recognition they fought so hard to achieve. 

K




TheHeretic -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 12:25:33 PM)

        I don't agree with your thoughts on the motivation, P-one, but the demographic polls show blacks oppose gay marriage at a higher rate.  The expected big turnout for Obama will probably put 8 over the top, and into the CA state constitution.




dcnovice -> RE: Freedom spreads to Connecticut (10/11/2008 1:10:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

        I take no pleasure in saying it, Ken, but they are going to take it back in CA.


Bummer.




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