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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 7:23:55 PM   
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I have a question for everyone out there. The chain of replies have indicated how we feel about seeking relationships while dealing with a purely physical illness and we all seem to be in favor of continuing to engage fully in life, in relationships and in reaching out to others.

Would your feelings change if the poster had been diagnosed with a mental illness? If so, why? Let us presume that we go with the original premise - that is a serious disease that has a high possibility of causing disability and to greatly alter your life. 

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 8:19:38 PM   
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In a nut shell you have 2 options.  Roll over and play dead or keep living. hmmm Thats a tuffy. 

I hit a ruff patch in my life and my mother asked me what I was going to do.  My reply was "just like every other day keep putting one foot in front of the other".

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 9:14:45 PM   
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Each day of life is precious. None of us knows when or even how we will die (not even a person with terminal cancer, who could die in an accident before the cancer ends their life).  I believe in living each and every day to the best of your ability and making the most out of life.  This should apply to relationships as well.

Maya, if this should happen to me and I had deep feelings for the submissive involved I would continue to let the relationship grow and be as supportive and caring as I could for her.
In fact, I was in a relationship where the sub involved had multiple debilitating and potentially life-threatening illnesses. The relationship ended for reasons not related to the health issues, and we remain very close friends, but when we were Master and slave there were many times when she got very upset and told me I should find someone who is more healthy and stable.  Each time I had to emphatically explain to her that this simply was not an option for me...and I would not even consider it.  I loved her, and it was my personal choice to stay with her.

VivaciousSub, if it was mental illness, my decision would still be the same...provided she sought treatment so she was not a danger to herself or others. And yes, I know that many treatments are not successful, or are only partly effective  But it would be important to me that the submissive at least was trying to get help, or else I would have great concerns that she was giving up the possibility to have a more "normal" and happier life.

Thank you and especially Maya for posting such thought provoking questions.

Sincerely,  Alexander

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 9:23:55 PM   
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Each day of life is precious. None of us knows when or even how we will die (not even a person with terminal cancer, who could die in an accident before the cancer ends their life).  I believe in living each and every day to the best of your ability and making the most out of life.  This should apply to relationships as well.

Maya, if this should happen to me and I had deep feelings for the submissive involved I would continue to let the relationship grow and be as supportive and caring as I could for her.
In fact, I was in a relationship where the sub involved had multiple debilitating and potentially life-threatening illnesses. The relationship ended for reasons not related to the health issues, and we remain very close friends, but when we were Master and slave there were many times when she got very upset and told me I should find someone who is more healthy and stable.  Each time I had to emphatically explain to her that this simply was not an option for me...and I would not even consider it.  I loved her, and it was my personal choice to stay with her.

VivaciousSub, if it was mental illness, my decision would still be the same...provided she sought treatment so she was not a danger to herself or others. And yes, I know that many treatments are not successful, or are only partly effective  But it would be important to me that the submissive at least was trying to get help, or else I would have great concerns that she was giving up the possibility to have a more "normal" and happier life.

Thank you and especially Maya for posting such thought provoking questions.

Sincerely,  Alexander



What a wonderful reply!
No one knows what the future will hold.

When we all go to sleep tonight, some of us will not wake up.

Anyone's life circumstances can change within the blink of an eye.
The measure of a man, is not how he handle's "the good times, the fun times, and
the happy days", it is how he handle's the struggles, challenges and difficulties in life.
If someone can not accept you in whatever circumstance, situation, shape or condition
you happen to be at that time, than it is really no great loss.
I have yet to meet anyone that is perfect, and most of us are going to have to deal with
some life changing situations, if we are lucky enough to live that long.
GOD Bless you and keep you, as you go through your life's challenges.
Namaste

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 10:14:22 PM   
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Maya:  some of the dominants agree that this is the best course of action, others still want to pursue despite knowing all possibilities  and feels the sub is wrong for wanting to walk away  now and feels that nothing should change and that the get to know should continue  and that they can deal with the issues are they come up and feel they could handle to financial responsibility as well...

Maya - keep exploring with those dominants, they sound like true human beings.  Don't let go of the opportunity to find happiness.  Often it is just what someone needs to turn the hard corner and recover instead of giving in and letting go.   To have a willing person to shoulder care, costs and assorted issues is lucky; to have it offered in a chosen life, even if it means adjusting expectations, needs, and fulfilments, is a blessing.  These doms obviously see you are worth that effort.  See yourself that way, too. you are in my prayers.

Subductrssss - my prayers are with you.  And like i said to Maya, keep exploring and looking. You never know when you will run into someone who believes that knowing you will be worth whatever it takes.  I have a friend who engaged in a relationship with someone who had HIV, knowing full well all the possibilites, and never looked back.  His lover lost the battle, but he never regretted going into it.



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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 10:41:21 PM   
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Would your feelings change if the poster had been diagnosed with a mental illness? If so, why? Let us presume that we go with the original premise - that is a serious disease that has a high possibility of causing disability and to greatly alter your life. 


Well, it may not be fair for me to answer since I am bipolar, but I'll tell you pretty much what I feel about a disabling disease whether it be mental or physical.  As long as the person is making a concerted effort to take care of their condition, I can work around it.  I won't tolerate "pity me" thinking, and I'm not going to baby someone who sleeps on the couch all day because of a diagnosis rather than actual symptoms from the disease. 

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 10:45:46 PM   
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VivaciousSub  - that subject recently came up in a forum on SMTR and one Domme was not sure she could stay in her relationship should her sub be unable to continue to serve her in the manner to which she had become accustomed.







I have always found that loving someone made it possible to do things i would normally not do, no matter what the relationship was. Perhaps i was 'lucky' that my mother, when she agreed to do something she did not particularly want to, did it with such bad grace, and made you pay emotionally, ad infinitum, and i vowed never to be like that. Although, i was blessed with very loving grandparents, who raised me until i was ten and were the reverse, so i had good role models as well. In fact, until i was approximately 35 and my grandmother told me, initially my grandfather did not want to take my brother and me in to raise, i had no idea, as he was as kind, loving, and generous as any child could ever want. Once he decided to do it he did it with loving grace. If you truly love someone, and are happy with who you are, you should be able to turn into someone else, when the need arises. Another disease you don't mention, but is becoming more prevalent with our increased lifespans, is Alzheimers. One should treat other illnesses (short term or long) or broken bones, and diseases with the same consideration as one would Alzheimers. Diseases are a fact, not a choice, or a failure; and just as you would not stop loving or caring for a child, sibling, or parent who became incapable of performing in the familiar manner, and change to meet those needs, so should you not be incapable of loving your sub partner in the same way. Anything less and imho you do not truly love this person.


On Bi-Polar Disorder i have some insight, as i have BPD. I was in functional remission most of my adult life. This means it was never bad enough to warrant medication, although in retrospect there were times it would have been easier, had i recognized it as BPD, and not simple depression. Therapy can be useful in milder cases or brief interludes, but for most, medication, with therapy, is most beneficial. It took me 2 years to realize i was again in full blown manic-depression, as i had lost my favorite job ever, for my birthday, and 3 weeks later for Christmas, i lost my mother. One would expect to be depressed at such a time, so i was unaware of my condition. Since i had not had a full blown manic attack in years, i had thought i was mis-diagnosed as a teen.
For myself and many of the women i have been in discussion with, about this, we have discovered, that when we are in loving relationships, having our needs met, we do not fall into the depressions. Of more concern is the manic phase, where we can do no wrong, but in this lifestyle that is normal anyway, so harder to see when it happens, and one makes bad choices, that seem perfectly normal at the time. Perhaps some controls or keywords need to be agreed upon, when our mates actually see this happening, as we don't realize it while it is happening. Moneys needed for other things can be spent on momentary insanity, with lasting regrets.  I lost my home last year, as a result of manic behaviour.  It was only a trailer, but i had renovated it to look like a house inside, complete with huge pictue windows, and island in the kitchen, and porcelain/steel  tub and sink.  I decided to get help after that.
Medication. And if one doesn't work, try another, and another until the desired balance is reached. While i am not a violent BP, many are, and the meds are needed to stabilize you whether you are female or male. From my male BP friends, i also have had feedback about the loving relationship/needs met issues making the depressions 'disappear'.
I think the manic phases, with little effort can be turned into a time for exploring new facets of the domme/sub relationship that you may not have considered, or been leery of in the past.


One domme friend, who is OCD, had a suggestion regarding her OCD sub. You can gently take someones' compulsion, and redirect it to another task. (I did that several times with her, at work, although it does take a bit of perseverance on occasion.) You can work out a plan beforehand, to distract the from the compulsive behavior, if it is dangerous.  Depending on who is OCD, it can be in the form of an unasked for service from your sub, or a greatly desired reward for a sub. Punishment does not help with OCD. Although there have been some studies that suggest that stress and/or the stress of unmet needs can aggravate and increase the compulsive behaviors, so again, therapy or talking openly about what those needs might be can be helpful. This would need to take place in a (to use a military term) 'permission to speak freely' atmosphere, with no recriminations, as that would only add to the problem.


As with any physical disease, there will need to be changes. One does not become schizophrenic or manic-depressive overnight. The point is, each individual facing such a choice needs to research the ailment, and then search honestly inside themselves to see whether the love is strong enough to do what is right and needed, and have the grace to do it with love, without resentment. That does not mean you can't occasionally bitch and moan to friends.
You would do it for a beloved pet, wouldn't you?


 



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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 11:14:20 PM   
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Alexander, Manx and Jaguar - great posts! Thank you for sharing your experiences and thoughts.
The reason I asked that question was that Maya's post was phrased in such a way that it could have applied to either a physical or mental diagnosis. What I was interested to see was if the answers indicated a tendency for others to want to draw back or stay involved. To be honest, I could perfectly understand people drawing back in case of a mental illness - it can be a very rocky road, even more so than with a purely physical disease, and it's hard to be supportive of us at times when we're at our worst.

Here's my two cents: I've also got bipolar disorder, and unfortunately it proved to be of the most severe (as denoted by the DSM-IV) type. When severely depressed or seriously manic, I have delusions, psychoses and hallucinations and often get very intensely suicidal. I've been hospitalized 3 times and after this past time, at the holidays last year, I said "enough" and got my shit together.

I absolutely require medication, but have found that the combination of meds and intense therapy was most effective. The better I did through therapy, however, the less I required medication and now I'm taking very low doses of meds and it's kept me stable for a year.

I'll agree and say that being in a loving and caring relationship helps immensely - it's another form of much needed support and part of the lifeline - but it was important for me to develop the skills necessary to keep the depressions and mania at bay at times when I was NOT in a relationship. I would hate to feel as though my very sanity depended on the stability of it.

However, when I got into a relationship, I decided that being proactive and demonstrating responsibility for my condition was the best course of action. Manx, no having this disease was not a choice I made, but how I dealt with it made all the difference in the end. One of my favorite authors said, "It's not the cards you're dealt, it's how you play them.". I decided after last holiday season that it was time to play to win.

Thus, I made it a point to be upfront with close friends, family and lovers who were deeply part of my life. I sat down and made up a list of symptoms of backsliding, for instance, that were particular to me so that they'd recognize them in context. I think it's extremely important to note that my personality is NOT my pathology! "Isolating" doesn't do much to describe a facet of depression for me, and I'm very social, so I put "stops accepting invitations to go out due to being 'too tired' when I haven't been especially busy". I tend not to get insomnia when I'm depressed, in fact, I can sleep for 20 hours at a stretch, hence the part about me saying I was "too tired". By the same token, I've always spoken quickly, so "pressured speech" didn't mean much in my personal context. Seriously fractured thoughts though were not normal and thus, that's a symptom for me.

I also drew up a game plan with them - if they saw two or more of these behaviors flaring up constantly within say, two weeks for depression symptoms, two days for manic symptoms, they were to by all means approach me about it and I would accept the information graciously. I would also agree to immediately call my psychiatrist and if necessary, step up visits with my therapist. Obviously I monitor myself as well - other people are not responsible for my condition - but every little bit helps as it is often so hard to see the forest for the trees and depression can sneak up on you and bite you in the ass.

As for mania - whoof. Well, suffice it to say that I'm glad that as I get older, those tend to happen less often, as they are terrifying. I go so deep into psychoses that I completely lose touch with reality and often don't remember what it was that I did for the time I was manic. I watch my sleep cycle very carefully and stick to a routine every day so that I can count on stability in my day to day living. I've learned to identify my emotions for what they are, not keep them crammed in a bottle, reach out to others and handle stress much better.

I used to be highly attracted to stormy relationships full of drama - that went for everyone, not just love relationships - and now I am so blessed to have stability in my life. I used to think it was boring, now it's deeply satisfying.

I've worked my ass off to get better, it took me 6 years to do so - not a lot of advice that does a lot of good when you're 22 and have just begun to come to terms with the fact that you are, indeed, certifiable.

I would say it's likely a different case for me, now that I've got this well under control, but I could seriously understand the "yikes!" reaction to someone who was newly diagnosed...it's been a tough road to hoe.




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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/9/2008 11:31:31 PM   
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My situation is that I was injured at work and I am facing lifelong disability and chronic pain at the worst. I had begun a new relationship during a phase of remission and I thought that I was over the worst of this condition (Complex Regional Pain Syndrome) unfortunately since then my pain has increased and condition worsened. Treatments have failed and I have a 'poor prognosis'. The relationship being so new did not stand up to the problems of distance, pain and the drugs used to treat me, although we still remain friends.

I have considered giving up looking for a partner, who would want to take on someone like me, and have accepted that I might be alone for the rest of my life. The reasons I don't feel I am able to contribute to a relationship relate to being limited physically in any activities, strong narcotics and a loss of libido. I am not myself anymore.  What then do I have to offer??  (Rhetorical question)

Reading this thread has opened my mind a bit, so time may tell a different tale.

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 5:58:53 AM   
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I dated a girl with a back problem that was only getting worse.  I told her I would take care of her as long as she needed.  She left me, but meh.  Shrugs.  

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 7:22:45 AM   
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Love heals... love is what life is all about and you can still love and be loved and everyone needs love to some degree. Give it all time... don't make decisions now based on what you see and feel now... because I promise, things will change.


Very nicely stated, dew.  For me, it seems that the question you stated at the beginning  is what the choice usually comes down to and the rightness and wrongness and the best choice is reflected more in the question than it is in the answer.

Do you choose a death preceded by a life in which you stop taking chances, stop engaging with others for fear of hurting them, surrounded at the end by those who love you but not in the way that another could have or do you continue to engage in life...revel in what you can have, even if it is not all that you wish it could be, and marvel in the fact that someone chooses to be the type of human that humans should be and loves you, despite it all?  Which will you regret more...stopping living before the disease did it for you?  or living fully until the "ratbastards" came?

Things will change, but you will still die eventually. So think real hard about how you will feel on your deathbed about your choices today.

Which will you regret more?

1) Not taking the chance to love and be loved because you think you have a flaw (but didn't ask the one whose opinion mattered).

2) Telling him the truth, trying to make it work and still failing.

3) Finding your love even if the physical side is less then you desire or cut short by death.

If you knew that you would die Monday from a stockbroker falling on your head, would it change your choices?

Nobody ever says on their deathbed how grateful they are for having missed out on love. You don't know when you are going to die but always, the time to love is right now.




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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 7:42:24 AM   
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To me a "mental" illness would be the same as any other, there may be different issues, but with bipolarism, the manic and depressive aspects, the anxiety and panic attacks, etc, all of these can be controlled with medication to a certain point, but the best and most needed aspect is someone who can deal with these things and will stick with the person through thick and thin.

Years back, ADD, Bipolar, etc, were not an issue (talking pioneer days) not that they weren't there, but people HAD to live life and did as they could and families stayed together, husbands and wives  worked through things and did not walk away at the first sign of turmoil.

To me even without that piece of paper and vows, there is an obligation to another person once you enter into a relationship, no matter what type of relationship that is.  BUT before you enter into that relationship you should do research so you know what is what and make sure you know if you can deal with such a thing, if you cannot the best thing to do is sit down face to face and explain that you care but you simply cannot be there as needed.

Don't turn away from someone because they cry a lot or because they are manic or depressive or have other problems, help them and be there for them even if you never meet and as a friend as we all need someone and sometimes a human being reaching out to another can make a difference.

Some people don't understand the "illness" whether mental or physical and a lot of educating yourself can go a long way to deciding if you can become involved with this person or not.

May E/everyone's day be well and may W/we all receive what we desire, want and need.

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 7:48:20 AM   
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A song that describes how I feel about all these issues (soft smile)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHgtE5rwEac
New Edition, Can You Stand the Rain

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 1:27:48 PM   
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i figure it this way; we all have things that can/do/will happen to us as we age and it sure would be nice to meet someone that wants to grow old with us 'in spite of the fact', so i tell them what i know is wrong with me (that i'm aware of) and lay the cards in their lap; if they wish to proceed with me, then life is great; if not, oh well, their loss!  i would never, ever, ever, eliminate myself from living my life to the fullest because of what may/could happen with me somewhere down the road, and you shouldn't either!

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 5:36:27 PM   
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I went to my oncologist today with Mary who is my best friend and I am staying with. I have colon cancer, lung and liver cancer and possibly esophageal cancer.  If I only have the colon/lung/liver cancer I have with chemotherapy five years at best, if I have esophageal cancer as primary with chemotherapy I have one year at best, If I have espopageal cancer as primary with another primary  (liver,lung,colon) with chemotherapy I have less than a year. With any of these without chemotherapy I have about 6-8 months to live. They have to do more tests regarding the esophageal cancer to be sure what time lines we are talking about for sure. I have a home nurse and either am going to stay with Mary or eventually go to a nursing home and then hospice.

And am going to write My "friend" here now and tell Him as I cannot expect this to go any further than friendship no matter how much I want it with such a short life span on my head. Love,  Marsha

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 8:53:31 PM   
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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 8:56:48 PM   
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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/10/2008 10:48:22 PM   
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I've worked my ass off to get better, it took me 6 years to do so - not a lot of advice that does a lot of good when you're 22 and have just begun to come to terms with the fact that you are, indeed, certifiable.


I appreciate your openness about being bipolar.  It's hard sometimes to open up when you know your life has been less than totally in your control. I have not been hospitalized but there are several times on retrospect where I should have been.  My family just thought I was eccentric...truth was I was a rapidly cycling bipolar mess.  I couldn't help but laugh about the bit above about coming to terms with being certifiable. It isn't as flippant or easy as it sounds to accept the fact that you have something wrong with your mind that will require medication, a ton of therapy, and the help of those close to keep everything straight.  The surest sign I'm starting to wobble is that Sir will ask about my meds and how I'm feeling and if something really is wonky I'll get really angry and defensive.  It's a pretty instantaneous sign to get on the phone with the doc.

I count myself as very lucky to be able to stop meds during my pregnancy and still stay somewhat on the rails especially because all of the pregnancy-friendly meds for bipolar make things go to hell very fast for me. I do cut down on my obligations and put my own wellbeing above everything else because if I'm not well no one else will be in the house either, you know?  It sounds selfish but to me selfish would be trying to put on a show where everything is okay and I don't need to take extra steps to take care of my mind and having everyone else pay the price when I fall apart.  Most recently I resigned as an officer in the honor society at college due to the unexpected pregnancy and having to be off meds and still attend school full time.  The advisor is still angry with me and I probably won't get another position as an officer, but I have to take care of me and mine first. I have heard from other students in the honor society that the advisor doesn't believe that I am bipolar because I'm not registered with the college as a student with a disability.  I haven't needed any special services to get through school so I never signed up.  I don't think much of that advisor any longer because we were supposed to be having a confidential conversation when I disclosed the bipolar disorder and now it's apparently all over our small college. *sigh*

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/11/2008 12:07:14 AM   
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Subducress, congratulations on choosing life. I just recently buried a friend from church, who had cancer. He never gave up. Even after they told him there was nothing more they could except to keep him comfortable w/ his family at home until it was over, he lived two weekslonger than the dsoctors expected. And w/ you I don't believe they've told you there is nothing they can do. I would contact The Cancer Treatment Center of America. They employ a wide range of treatments they may be able to help where others can't. And with being on Chemo you have an excuse to smoke marijuana LOL. And always be honest. I took care of my alcoholic mother from age 5 - 10 and later worked as a personal care atendant. If I cared about someone the fact they were ill or needed a little extra help would  never stop my being in a relationship w/ them. However, if they lied or withheld that information than a breech of trust will have occured and would need to be addressed. Just something to think about. -RCF

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RE: serious disease and impact on a new relationship - 10/11/2008 2:20:04 AM   
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And am going to write My "friend" here now and tell Him as I cannot expect this to go any further than friendship no matter how much I want it with such a short life span on my head. Love,  Marsha


i appreciate your point of view, marsha.  i really do.  and yes, such a diagnosis, whichever way it leans, sucks large boulders of moldy monkey ass through a bendy straw.

fallcon got the bad news in early september, 2006.  he'd gone to the hospital with some bleeding and a bellyache on aug 25th.  colon cancer.  spread to tumors that took up about half his liver.  surgery in october after a slew of tests that they couldnt read because of the location of the colon tumors, a colostomy and we were told "we couldnt remove any of it".

he'd relocated to be with me in april of 2005.  straightened out his life, stopped drinking, we we having such a wonderful time together, and i was healing from james' dying suddenly in dec of 2004.  we didnt get a full 2 years.  he passed away early christmas morning 2006.

i wouldnt have missed one single moment of the time we spent together.  not one argument, not one touch, not one breath.  not seeing the light in his eyes when he saw things from a different angle and his opinion of his life changed, not feeling the tears pouring down my face when he asked me "are these the ladies who are going to help me die" when he was settled into the bed at the hospice ward in the hospital.  and especially not him telling me love lasts forever.

dont deny your friend the chance to chose.  i dont regret loving fallcon...it wasnt just the almost-two years we had together.  it was the previous 4, too, when he was an alcoholic on the streets, who'd email me or occasionally call, just to hear "yes, i love you, but i cant have you with me when you're drinking."  and hearing him whisper in my ear finally "my life IS better since i gave up and realized my heart belongs to you."

its nearly 2 years later.  i still grieve both james and fallcon.  and TheEngineer knows this....and loves me more because of it.

kitten

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