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Owner59 -> The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 6:45:35 PM)

Sounds like an ass kicking,'my friends'.[:D]

Why does McCain put so much into "working across the aisle"?

What`s the big deal?

I don`t think people think much about that.

Anyway,....

Thoughts?




MzMia -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 6:48:41 PM)

I am not sure what "working across the aisle" means?
Do you mean McCain is trying to be bi-partisian?

What strikes me is when McCain puts on the fake smile, he reminds me
of the Grinch that stole Christmas.

McCain fake smile = Mr.Grinch fake smile

YouTube - Grinch smile

YouTube - The McCain Smile




TNstepsout -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 7:37:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Sounds like an ass kicking,'my friends'.[:D]

Why does McCain put so much into "working across the aisle"?

What`s the big deal?

I don`t think people think much about that.

Anyway,....

Thoughts?


Yeah, pretty funny that he mentioned how good he is at "working across the aisle" when he bragged in the last debate about ruffling feathers.




MzMia -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 7:38:01 PM)

I found the debate interesting.
Of course, I think Obama won!
 
I like what Obama said about let me see?
Hummmm, everything![;)]


McCain was certainly in attack mode.
I loved what Obama said about cutting the budget and using a scalpel instead

of a knife. 
It's funny that we can throw 700 billion towards WallStreet, but so many balk

at the idea of helping the people that need assistance the most.
I especially like what Obama said at the end, about the challenges of
being President, when faced with uncertainity.




kittinSol -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 7:43:04 PM)

McCain's "my friends" absolutely sucks.




MistresseLotus -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 7:57:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

McCain's "my friends" absolutely sucks.


Well.. gee... "My Fellow Americans" has been used to death.. and McCain needs all the friends he can get.




kittinSol -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:02:15 PM)

I have high standards  [&:] .




MissSCD -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:05:08 PM)

I came home in time for the last five minutes.  I could tell by the body language that McCain got his ass whipped.
I don't know Obama at all.   I know one thing. No more republicans.  Republicans can hang out in the Bahamas with the AIG CEOs.
Soon you will read a sign that says American sold to the highest bidder.
 
Regards, MissSCD




slvemike4u -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:05:09 PM)

What I found interesting,and a bit curious was McCain's house buying plan.Doesn't this man own enough houses already?




bipolarber -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:11:23 PM)

Yeah, I don't know if that's going to sit well with his base or not... Me, I worked like hell to afford the house I have. Had I known that I could have gotten a much bigger and better place, and John McCain was going to buy it, mark it down for me, and allow me to get it at a deep, deep discount, I would have been more irresponsible in my purchase.

LOL




smilingjaguar -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:11:35 PM)

I will never be able to look at that creepy McCain smile the same way again...at least now I know what it reminded me of! [:D]




kdsub -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:12:01 PM)

You know I don't think McCain did so bad tonight...I think he continued to loose ground but he did not make a fool of himself. Now I know this is shallow but he doesn't have a presidential way about him. He often says the right thing but looks stiff and artificial. He reminds me of a pug...not a bull dog but a pug. Obama is a dog too...lol.. maybe a Shepard though.

AND Damn MzMia... that smile is darn right freaky.




smilingjaguar -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:15:03 PM)

McCain is in desperation mode now.  He knows he's probably lost the election at this point, so he can be as nasty as he wants. What he doesn't understand is that the majority of undecided voters say in the polls that they hate the negative attack stuff.  I don't know about the other Obama supporters, but I enjoy him swapping the shovel for a backhoe. That stupid health plan of McCain is starting to cost him republican votes, too. No one lucky enough to have employer-sponsored health plans wants the government in any way to mess with that.

Edited to say I really liked Brokaw as a moderator.  He was tough on time and didn't let McCain talk him into "just a second" to get another attack in like I thought the first moderator did.




MzMia -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:15:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: smilingjaguar

I will never be able to look at that creepy McCain smile the same way again...at least now I know what it reminded me of! [:D]


ROFL!
I am glad that I am not the only one that finds his smile "creepy".

I was 10 minutes into watching the debate, and I said OMG, he looks
like the Grinch when he smiles.




MistresseLotus -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:20:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: smilingjaguar

I will never be able to look at that creepy McCain smile the same way again...at least now I know what it reminded me of! [:D]


ROFL!
I am glad that I am not the only one that finds his smile "creepy".

I was 10 minutes into watching the debate, and I said OMG, he looks
like the Grinch when he smiles.


It could be ill-fitting dentures.  (Or Obama's foot up his ass [:D])




slvemike4u -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:22:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: smilingjaguar

I will never be able to look at that creepy McCain smile the same way again...at least now I know what it reminded me of! [:D]


ROFL!
I am glad that I am not the only one that finds his smile "creepy".

I was 10 minutes into watching the debate, and I said OMG, he looks
like the Grinch when he smiles.


It could be ill-fitting dentures.  (Or Obama's foot up his ass [:D])
Spending large chunks of time with ones foot in ones mouth leads to denture problems.




smilingjaguar -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:23:05 PM)

I've never seen someone's smile curve that much...at least his smile betrays his support of the Evil Empire. [;)]




TheHeretic -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:31:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Sounds like an ass kicking,'my friends'.[:D]

Why does McCain put so much into "working across the aisle"?

What`s the big deal?

I don`t think people think much about that.

Anyway,....

Thoughts?



         I only caught the last 20 minutes or so, and won't comment until I've had a chance to catch a re-air, but...


      Ummmm...  O59?  The post-partisan themes of his '04 speech were what I liked best about Obama.  Shame he has completely abandoned that to his opponent.




juliaoceania -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:31:48 PM)

When McCain brought up Hoover being the last president to raise taxes during an economic downturn, I thought, Wasn't Bush 41 the last president to do that? and then I thought well McCain would know better having been friends with Hoover back in the day. When he brought up Theodore Roosevelt being his hero, I thought well knowing him personally after being taken prisoner for 5 years in the Spanish American War after crashing and destroying 6 US horses, I can imagine you would respect Teddy a lot.

Edited to add, I read through some of the comments, McCain's creepy smile is due to the impact of his cancer issues and the treatment has disfigured him which is why he would not turn his head during the debate. His health problems are a real reason not to support his candidacy, but ridiculing him for looking creepy is kinda beneath us, isn't  it?




BitaTruble -> RE: The 2nd debate. (10/7/2008 8:35:00 PM)

On the positive sides, I thought that the fact they stuck mostly to policy was quite different from what I was expecting and I was pleased to see real talk about real issues, so thumbs up to them both for sticking to things that really matter.

I liked what McCain said about helping lower rates on mortgages so homeowners can stay in their homes but without it's obvious handmate - how he's going to pay for it - it fell a bit flatter than I would have liked. It's a nice theory, but how do you work with banks to get that done when banks are already in major trouble. That sort of thing is a 'now' issue .. not a .. well, when the economy is stronger we can deal with it. When the economy is stronger, people won't need that sort of help. It sounded as if it was prep for another bailout .. er.. rescue. (What's the difference???) Too, I thought going after Obama's inexperience, record on spending and record on voting for tax increases was spot on and probably his strongest points in the debate tonight.

I thought Obama was strong on domestic policy and I really liked what he had to say about energy but thought he should have made it clearer that he's going to pay for his programs by creating jobs through funding things like biofuels, solar/wind energy and technologies, so have to take a few points away from him for that .. but over all, solid marks on domestic policy. I also liked what he had to say about going after Bin Laden. We still need to get that asshole and wipe him off the face of the Earth, so kudos and I don't give a shit if he uses a scalpel, a hatchet, a big stick or whatever .. just get him. It's way overdue. Points to Obama on foreign policy, diplomacy and needed aggression. I saw a leader there who was concerned about getting a job done and wasn't going to let anything stand in his way.. including personal vendetta which has mired us in Iraq for so long now.

On personality, I thought that Obama was calm but sometimes stiff although a bit warmer than I've seen in him similar venues in the past. He's getting better as he gets more experience in these formats, but can still use improvement. I think it can be looked at one of two ways.. slow and thoughtful .. or just plain slow. A little bit more passion, a bit more urgency (just a bit) and perhaps we could have had a few more questions than we got. Bringing up his background, speaking about his mom passing and equating that to the state of health care was a plus. I felt connected to him then more so than at any other time .. and perhaps at the end when he said Michelle probably would be better able to answer the question about what he doesn't know. That was real to me, human, homey. I also thought he looked good! Vital, healthy .. presidential.

On the negative side - first, McCain .. he didn't look healthy. In fact, there were a few times I was thinking, sit down, John.. ya look like you're tired! It immediately brought to me the question as to whether or not he's truly got the stamina for the job. I understand his medical record, his history as a POW, the broken bones and all that has effected his physical mobility and I don't hold it against him but neither does it instill a sense of power and leadership. I guess it's more like.. okay, thanks for your service, but it's time for you to get some rest. In a sense, I felt a bit maternal towards him because of it .. like I wanted to make him a cup of tea and bring him a blankie. I also thought he did not go nearly far enough to distance himself from Bush. He repeatedly brought up his record which reminds the voters of how often he's voted on the Bush policy's. I think that was a mistake. Whether or not the current state of the economy is the fault of Bush, Congress, Republicans or Democrats, most voters place blame on the current administration. It might not be fair, but it is the way of things. Big minus was not answering the question about sacrifice. Come on.. we're not stupid as a people. We know there's going to be some so just be honest, tell us what we'll have to do and we'll probably grumble, but we'll do it. Even if it was something simple like, recycle, turn your lights off, walk instead of drive, conservation. Doesn't matter to me what it is, just tell me. I don't need to be coddled.. this is my country and I'm willing to sweat for her when I have to.

Obama's biggest negative, as I stated, was not talking about his spending in terms of job creation to pay for all of it. Like McCain, all this talk about cutting my taxes in the middle of this downward economic turn smacks of disingenious, 'here's what I think you want to hear so that's what I'm going to say'. They both did it though, so I can't really put one over the other. It sucks no matter which side it comes from .. so spankings to them both for treating me like I'm 8 and just want cookies. I also didn't like Obama arguing with the moderator on a format that both sides agreed with. To that end, Tom Brokaw did an adequate job of keeping things somewhat on track, but could have been even stronger. I still think that each candidate should have an electrical probe up their butts and when they go over time, give them a little shot to keep things moving. [8D]

Overall, I give a slight edge to Obama. Nothing new, nothing Earth shattering, nothing I haven't heard before but he comes across as Presidential in a way that McCain does not to me. I don't know if I'll watch the third debate, but considering I'm a junkie I probably will.

One last thing.. just wanted to send my condolences to Senator Biden on the loss of his mother. May she rest in peace and hopefully, we will see him back on the stump very soon.




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