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lydwina -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 8:21:55 AM)

About shyness. I am less shy than I was when I was younger and even now I feel uncomfortable speaking in front of a group or being gawked at at a play party but have made huge strides in overcoming shyness. At some point during my twenties, I picked up a book on overcoming shyness. One very important point I got from the book is that shy people tend to be self centered which I found shocking because I never considered myself vain or trying to be the center of attention. When I really thought about it though, I began to realize that my thoughts tended to focus more on how I felt and not how others felt. When I began to focus on how others felt, things seemed to go much easier and I was able to talk to others a little easier.I have many times seen people find long lasting play partners when they weren't looking.




dangerousangel -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 10:37:23 AM)

Thought I'd point out something--
I've met all my long-term dominant partners in totally vanilla settings. The only people I've met in kink settings are casual play partners. I find that a lot more people than we think are at least sorta kinky.

If you feel safe with your friends, it can be really surprising to come out to them, at least a little. You never know what it'll turn up.




lydwina -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 11:53:35 AM)

Do I need to post a certain number of times to get rid of this vanilla ice cream cone? LOL My husband and I have been in the lifestyle for a little over five years.Since we have been in a monogamous relationship for thirty years, I can't speak first hand about finding other long term Doms because I never expect to have another. Coming out to my friends has mixed results. Some long term friends have little to say to me now.Fortunately my long term partner has accepted my choice which is all that really matters.I entered the lifestyle, not looking for a partner but to learn more about myself. I have met many nice people along the way and even have occasional play partners other than my husband and have formed some long lasting friendships along the way.I have talked to some others who have had more luck "perverting" vanilla partners than finding partners within the lifestyle.




leadership527 -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 11:55:28 AM)

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I find that a lot more people than we think are at least sorta kinky.


*laughs* This just in... vanilla people like sex too. Full story at 11.

OK, so I self-identify as vanilla yet regularly do things with my wife that I strongly suspect are not routinely done in "vanilla" relationships. What's the old joke?

I'm sexually sophisticated
Your kinky
He's perverted

And I agree with you angel. (gods forbid) I find myself looking for a new partner and assuming I wanted a submissive partner, I'd be looking for her in vanilla contexts.




NihilusZero -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 12:22:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nhite

but i am never ever ever going to be a person that stands in the center of a crowded room and demands to be the center of all the attention

Then you come to grips with it. You do realize that a huge piece of the 'finding a partner' pie involves self-marketing, right? That's just the nature of the beast.

quote:

ORIGINAL: nhite

and the comment about my husband is not the least bit relevant thank you

It isn't??




dangerousangel -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 12:48:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527
*laughs* This just in... vanilla people like sex too. Full story at 11.

And I agree with you angel. (gods forbid) I find myself looking for a new partner and assuming I wanted a submissive partner, I'd be looking for her in vanilla contexts.


Heh. Yeah, I'm sorta bad about stating the obvious, probably because I overlook the obvious so often. :)

I think "we" define vanilla far too strictly, and tend to look down on people because they aren't overtly into what we call kink. That and I think people tend to be too hard on "converting" people. I find it's often not so much converting someone to "our side" than giving him/her  a chance to give voice to something s/he'd had a ghost of an interest in, never given voice.

Edited to add: (Holy abuse of quotations, Batman!)




SailingBum -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 12:51:26 PM)

Hey OP,

I see why you search has been harder than most.  First your married,  Which rules out lots of folks that may have been interested.  Second your married and finally your poly ties in with  married.  Which further reduces the gene pool of spankers.  Actually the big hinderance IMO is the whine factor wooos me.  Plus your shy.  Have you considered moving to utah???

BadOne




proudsub -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 4:50:15 PM)

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Do I need to post a certain number of times to get rid of this vanilla ice cream cone?

Yes, the info is here: Forum Rankings  




nhite -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 6:37:52 PM)

to being introverted?  nope it has absolutely nothing to do with it

it sometimes has relevance to other topics but amazingly my brain manages to operate on its own and did so DECADES before i even considered being married

i'm fairly certain i read a study about how its a common occurence but i can't find the source to quote it

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: nhite

and the comment about my husband is not the least bit relevant thank you

It isn't??





MaamJay -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 7:01:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I'm naturally introverted and it's not my favorite quality about me. It has had an effect and impact on developing all kinds of relations with people from intimate to personal to professional. It has been a painful road to developing extroversion and only the last 3 years has it been a conscious effort on my part by the epiphany that if I was ever going to be successful in any endeavor, I was going to have to develop people skills.

Here's my take on this issue : People a lot of the time like to hide behind the notion of "Just be yourself, because that's all you can be, whether or not it's good enough for anyone else". That, in my opinion, is the slogan of underachievers and people who don't want to change and grow. It's a cop out. The reality is their is things about you that suck and those things are probably holding you back from achieving what you want in some way or another.

Making the decision to change from a book worm who could barely manage basic social relations to somebody who can (and sometimes can't) charm a group of people and can (and sometimes can't) approach a woman in a grocery store and have her laughing and smiling in a few minutes was the best decision I ever made. In all probably, very few things in life are going to land in your lap whether it's new customers for your business, a new job opportunity, new friends, or a new lover. To get those things, you have to be willing and able to interact with strangers and pass out business cards, network, have a decent conversation and flirt.

So based on a lot of painful experiences....
  • Whatever it is your after or looking for through human interaction, you can't be desperate and solely fixated on finding it. People can sense that vibe and it will throw them off. You have to go out with the intent of just simply enjoying the company of people, trying to make friends, and then waiting for the opportunities to present themselves.
  • Everyone is always going to say "Sure! That sounds great!" in response to any solicitation, regardless of whether the answer is yes or no, because we live in a polite and nice society. Being nice and polite requires lying through your teeth sometimes. Read a book on body language. Being able to tell what a person is really saying is very important.
  • How comfortable you feel depends a lot on the environment your in. It's not always just you. If your with a tightly knit group of people who are ignoring you and not making any effort to include you in the dynamics, your going to have a lot harder coming out of your introverted shell and connecting with people then a friendly and high energy environment.





[sm=applause.gif] This merits re-reading!

And it's not just mad rabbits that can do this ... it's My story too! It IS an effort at first, and no, it doesn't feel like 'you' for a while ... anything new will always feel different. But while there are still some occasions when the old introverted self pops out (like being at a conference with 2600 delegates and I can't spot any of the 50 or so people I know there!) ... most of the time people shake their heads with disbelief when I say I used to be an introvert. It was, without doubt, the best change I ever orchestrated for Myself ... and no, I am not the 'centre of attention' all the time, it's more a matter than I can more than hold My own at a social gathering. And I have an air of confidence ... which makes others feel confident too.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




blisseeker -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 7:16:12 PM)


Being a recovering introvert myself, here are a few suggestions to overcoming shyness that I found helpful.

1. People only see what you show them. Be aware of your body language.
2. Relax. It's one of the secrets to life, all the successful people do it well under stress.
3. Be Curious. Everyone loves to talk about themselves.  Try to see how long you can have a conversation with a stranger and say nothing about yourself.  





monywildcat -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 8:46:31 PM)

No one said that you weren't capable of independent thought, nhite.  The relevance of someone asking "have you asked your husband to spank you" is that for someone on the outside looking in, (read=us replying to your post) it would appear perfectly logical to take your desires to your husband first.  I had to perv your profile (I couldn't get where it said you were poly, and still don't) and yes, I saw that you were married, but that was all.  No other word on whether he was okay with you looking outside your relationship to fulfill your needs.  Now, prospective play partners don't need to know all the details, but a quick "hubby is cool with me being here to find new play partners" wouldn't hurt. 

There is your relevance to the question.  No snark, no bitchiness, just a question.  Which remains unanswered.  Which is okay. 

As for your introverted nature, it sounds like you have done a pretty good job of overcoming this and getting out there.  Relax, I am sure you will have spanking partners a-plenty in due time. 




rcf101 -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/10/2008 11:21:05 PM)

Actually it is not always easy to broach the subject with your signifigant other. People are not always open to people in this lifestyle even the mildest forms of it, although granted it is much better and more open than even a few years ago. Theres that risk of rejection and if that rejection is from someone you made a major emotional investment in... I mentioned to my wife that I had never been tickled and didn't even know if I was ticklish or not, and would she be willing to help me explore and find out if I was ticklish, not even suggesting any sort of bondage component. She told me I was a "sick perverted individual for wanting to be tickled and that tickling was just for kids and babies." and until this forum I have never mentioned it since. My wife has been dead for 9 years now. I am beginning to wonder if I'll go to my grave not knowing if I'm ticklish or not or if the reality would live up to the fantasy. It can be frustrating. Even though I read that something like 82% of people admit they enjoy either tickling people or being tickled. I agree in an ideal world you SHOULD be open to exploring your partners fantasies. Unfortunately all to often that is not the case, or it's only a one-sided willingness. I would be willing to try spanking some female and she might be willing to tickle me in return. LOL I suppose theres always that chance if you mention to your partner about having a tickling fetish they'll say " me too but I was afraid to mention it to you for fear you'd think I was weird." However I don't see that as being very probable. Although in a good relationship it may facilitate opening the lines of communication for your partner to share THIER fantasy. After all, "everyone has thier idiosynchrosies". Take me, for example, I was raised you didn't talk about such things even in private w/ your spouse. I suspect others were as well. In that regard these kids  today have it good and right, they are not as sexually repressed about discussing (and doing) such things. I work in Student Housing at an art institute, the kids there are pretty open about thier sexuality. Heck, I grew up though,  I wouldn't even say the WORD s-e-x in mixed company. LOL. Ok that's my 2 cents worth. -RCF




nhite -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/12/2008 7:21:16 AM)

that is the very hard part.   i dont do well being something i'm not;  i dont false facades.   by which i mean that i wont ever say "that is the ugliest hat ever!!!"  i am considerate of the impact of my words;   but i cant 'act' outgoing especially if i genuinely don't know what to say;   if i dont know how to connect then that  uncertainty comes through.  i hate it with a passion, but there is a transparency to me....   although i get TONS of invites to poker games!  its really weird how much they love me ;)

its odd, if i have one person that i know is a friendly face, then i'm usually good.  they dont have to do the siamese twin thing with me; but just knowing there is one friendly face tends to 'ground' me.  once i have something i'm sure of, i do better.   for twenty years i worked in some form of receptionist/office assistant with a face constantly to the public and could easily talk to ANY one that called or came thru the door.   i knew my job, i knew what they needed, and i knew how to care for their needs very very well.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MaamJay

[sm=applause.gif] This merits re-reading!

And it's not just mad rabbits that can do this ... it's My story too! It IS an effort at first, and no, it doesn't feel like 'you' for a while ... anything new will always feel different. But while there are still some occasions when the old introverted self pops out (like being at a conference with 2600 delegates and I can't spot any of the 50 or so people I know there!) ... most of the time people shake their heads with disbelief when I say I used to be an introvert. It was, without doubt, the best change I ever orchestrated for Myself ... and no, I am not the 'centre of attention' all the time, it's more a matter than I can more than hold My own at a social gathering. And I have an air of confidence ... which makes others feel confident too.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




kiwisub12 -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/12/2008 10:09:44 AM)

I consider myself an introvert, but no-one who knows me would say the same,  but that doesn't change how i feel inside. I have, care of my job (rn), have learned how to talk to strangers - and about some pretty intimate subjects. It didn't feel right - but i had to to do my job correctly, so i learned. Now i can carry that over into my social life.
The fact that i don't like to go into rooms full of people i don't know doesn't show on my face, so no-body knows - except for my Sir.  and now every one that reads cm - lol.

Just stick with it - when it least seems likely to happen - it will!  [:D]




PlusSizeMisfit -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/12/2008 10:25:21 AM)

shy & introverted here too

had an e-mail awhile back, offered me a ride to a munch
thought about it, almost accepted
then i remembered that this was a total stranger
passed on the ride & the munch
(the munch was next day)




nhite -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/12/2008 3:47:09 PM)

did you find it was any easier to take on being out-going since it was part of being a good nurse? 

the thought that came to me was it was easy to do it at work because it was part of the definition of doing my job;  it was an acceptable way for me to care for them


quote:

ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

I consider myself an introvert, but no-one who knows me would say the same,  but that doesn't change how i feel inside. I have, care of my job (rn), have learned how to talk to strangers - and about some pretty intimate subjects. It didn't feel right - but i had to to do my job correctly, so i learned. Now i can carry that over into my social life.
The fact that i don't like to go into rooms full of people i don't know doesn't show on my face, so no-body knows - except for my Sir.  and now every one that reads cm - lol.

Just stick with it - when it least seems likely to happen - it will!  [:D]




lydwina -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/15/2008 6:05:27 AM)

"i am pushing every goddamn limit and boundary i have ever had with this quest of mine to find someone to do to me what i crave so much to have done....   but i am never ever ever going to be a person that stands in the center of a crowded room and demands to be the center of all the attention"

By "goddamn" do you mean "possible"? It seems to me that by cursing when it isn't necessary to convey what you mean IS is essence standing in the middle of the room and demanding to be the center of attention.

Also could you clarify what you mean by pushing every limit?Since it sounds like you aren't playing I don't understand how your limits are being pushed or do you mean that you are interacting with others in a manner which you found too aggressive before but feel this must be what these people who have managed to find play partners must be doing?

I have never assumed that just because someone has a skill that I wish to be the recipient of that they want to use that skill on me.While we all like to aim high when searching for play partners, we sometimes have to settle for those who offer.It is a possibility that there have been some who have offered who you have overlooked because you felt they were not good enough.




CNJDom -> RE: the 'quiet' side of bdsm (10/16/2008 6:14:39 AM)

I used to be very introverted when I was growing up, and practically invisible at times.  I was not happy with it all at times, but I was more or less content with it until I started to see a need for more interaction and co-mingleing with the masses.  Music was my catalyst...playing in a band which helped greatly to overcome many things and surprisingly quickly was performance anxiety.  I still have some reservations at times being around certain crowds, but outside of music and other life-experiences, I have found that this lifestyle is a good way to overcome those things you might find a little un-nerving in an introverted way. 

As for you nhite, and from what I have read there are some wonderful people here offering some great advice, what I can offer without knowing too many details; is that there are ways to get attention and other ways to BE the attention.  You don't want to BE the attention, but you do want to get attention.  I would suggest first that you watch your body langauge when you are out.  From the looks you give others to your stance.  How you speak to others and what your body is saying can be either complimentary or conflicting.  Making friends with others is always good and sometimes it's going to be that friend that will help you look for and screen those that will eventually come to you offering something either worthwhile, or unacceptable.  Settle only for the worthwhile please....the other is a waste of time and will only lead to a path of becoming jaded (and there is enough of those people in the world believe me).  If you go to munches, have a talk with some there that seem to care and are genuinely good people.  They will help.  We here online, and ALL of the BDSM community really have this need to help and make it better in themselves, and you can see from the responses here.  I'm sure the others have illustrated this in a better light than I have, but I felt I wanted to add my two-cents in on this since it has been a part of my development over the years, and not a negative thing for me btw...but definitely a good thing that worked for me over time. 




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