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Slavelary -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 6:23:42 PM)

This isn't the kind of enslavement that's fun.  This is quite disturbing actually.  I mean I know I was kind of manipulated into being a slave, but I considered myself a submissive anyways.  But internal enslavement is the kind of thing a psycho would do...



Slavelary -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 6:31:48 PM)

OK I read the whole thread and I understand it more...



NumberSix -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 6:34:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

I do think all of this (the methods listed) is possible, but I think you would need a weak and desperate mind to work with in order to have any success with it.


I would prefer not to have to think of you as weak and desperate....

Vulnerable; perhaps.

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marieToo -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:09:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

I do think all of this (the methods listed) is possible, but I think you would need a weak and desperate mind to work with in order to have any success with it.


I would prefer not to have to think of you as weak and desperate....

Vulnerable; perhaps.

6


Just perhaps???  Come on, look at me over here, I'm down to my last brain cell.



NumberSix -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:13:47 PM)

Lady, let me be forthright here...

I have attempted to forage thru your goods for some time now, and you ain't having none of it.

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dreamerdreaming -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:13:50 PM)

Huh?

What does trying to grow hair on a billiard ball have to do with your picture?



OneMoreWaste -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:14:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527
I was hoping to provide at least one specific and well supported example of how it could be done.  Not whether it should be done.


Hell, sounds like the working world to me...



NumberSix -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:17:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

Huh?

What does trying to grow hair on a billiard ball have to do with your picture?


If you were looking for internal enslavement, you could rationalize it, via website.

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marieToo -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:23:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

Lady, let me be forthright here...

I have attempted to forage thru your goods for some time now, and you ain't having none of it.

6


My goods are depleted.  I got nothing left but bads.



NumberSix -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:28:19 PM)

Since we are trucking in shop-worn phrase, shouldn't I be the judge of that?

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sistermargaret -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:32:59 PM)

i like the cookbook idea, so i Googled 'apple pie'. There are 6,850,000 sites for apple pie, so without looking any of them up (i already make a mean apple pie, thank you) i'm pretty sure there are a few million more ways of making BDSM.
Not everyone is going to bother with internal enslavement as a whole, 'that's all i'm gonna do' sort of thing, and everyone who dabbles in it is going to put their own flair on it. Master A might only want to do parts 2 &3, Master B may only like parts 1&2. And i won't even bother to mention the SAMs and Brats who flat out won't do any of it that they don't want.  (See threads devoted to 'Why can't i control my subbie?') Like all the rest of the 'how to' stuff, take what you need and dump the rest.
As to the ethics of it, the REAL abusers already do this and a whole lot more that we ethical kinksters couldn't even come up with. So, arguing about the ethics of it is just a lot of typing, IMO.
Abusers will abuse, victims will be victimized and each seeks the other, with or without kink.
sm
 
All it takes is absolute surrender 



marieToo -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:42:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

Since we are trucking in shop-worn phrase, shouldn't I be the judge of that?

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Well, it all depends.   Who's on first?



DesFIP -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:50:21 PM)

It takes a pretty insecure person to need to do this as opposed to having them willingly choose to stay because you are worth following.

It also takes a sub with a low self esteem to begin with, one without healthy boundaries who won't say "stop this now, it isn't what we agreed upon" during the beginning stages.

And I would like to say that calling it internal enslavement is a prettified way of presenting it. The more honest thing would be to call it by its vanilla name, Stockholm Syndrome.



catize -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:50:47 PM)

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Now, I can envision a sityaton in which I am getting my nut on, and I could say to the party of the second part in that little drama, you move one goddamn muscle right now, cause I am coming and I will kill you, and she would freeze and obey.

Internal enslavement?  You decide.    


I'm thinkin' self-preservation might weigh on the side of internal.maybe.



NumberSix -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 7:58:27 PM)

Well, thats the point aint it catize, one so very rarely does that which is outside of their own self interest. 

So, at best this is a discussion about providing some sort of 'hydroponic hothouse' that would juxapose you in some alignment of your best interest with mine, or am I just fuckin' stupid, here?

Ron 



monywildcat -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 8:06:58 PM)

Blah.  I filed my divorce papers and got the hell out of that scenario.  Not my thing at all. [:'(] 



MadRabbit -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 8:24:49 PM)

What your talking about here is the "literal" definition of Internal Enslavement and these kind of tactics and processes are things I have very much argued against on a couple of threads.

Now, of course, I have also argued for Internal Enslavement in other threads, but I was arguing for the more general definition that people use those two words for which is a "powerful emotional bond from a slave to a Master".

I just thought I would make a point to note that distinction, because it would certainly clear up some of the miscommunication I see when ever those two words are brought up.

That not everyone who defines their relationship as involving "Internal Enslavement" is necessarily referencing tactics like the one's listed in the OP.



catize -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 8:27:10 PM)

 
The fallacy of altruism!
 
I scare myself when I ‘get’ what you post!  [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m28.gif[/image]



NumberSix -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 8:44:18 PM)

Well, do you give really good head when you are frightened?

'Cause I am unsure whether I am feeling all that altruistic myself, if the truth be told.  Maybe you can help me with that.

Ron 



catize -> RE: Internal Enslavement, some specifics (10/3/2008 8:50:56 PM)

See, that's why I luv ya...........a gazillion points IQ and a one track mind all rolled together....
and yeah, fear is my aphrodisiac!



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