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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 2:36:18 PM   
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My vanilla marriage was very sacred to me as well. There were other aspects of me that i was able to touch into deeply. Neither my late husband or Sir have been the emotional supportive type and wanting to 'fix me'. That i am am forever grateful. IMHO, one is not better then another, vanilla verses Ds.

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 3:10:10 PM   
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Thank you for your response. i left the spiritual part of sacredness out on purpose, since i do not believe to walk a sacred path one needs a diety, higher power or whatever name a person wishes to use. Personally, i was greated by the Goddess Pele when i was in Hawaii, and have been following her ever since. i have though always walked a spiritual sacred path starting from my Jewish birth roots through all my different journeys.
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oceanwynds would you clarify something please. I didn't understand your reference to being greeted or greated? by the Goddess Pele in Hawaii.  Are you speaking in a literal sense about the Hawaiian figure Pele or someone who calls themselves the Goddess Pele??? what did you mean you have been following her ever since??


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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 3:38:17 PM   
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Opps, greeted. She literally was there. i seen her. Didn't know much about her until i asked my hostess. Been following Goddess Pele since then.

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 4:34:30 PM   
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I am a Master because it's my calling to be one. For some of us, we are given these cravings/likes/fetishes for a reason...that being having a way to follow our concept of the divine (even if that concept is a total reliance on self).

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 4:36:50 PM   
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Come on folks the power exchange is not that deep.  Most ppl do it cuz they enjoi how it makes them feel inside.  Not because it's a relgious exp.

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This is very true. But, for some, we are blessed to be able to use what we love and enjoy...and what makes us hot...as tools to connect with 'the divine', however that might be described. So, for you, it seems this is just fun. For us, this is fun and more!

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 5:00:02 PM   
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Gonna start out by saying I love this thread!  I started out reading the message boards regularly recently related to an unwanted evolution in a relationship I hold as sacred.  I feel gifted to have been privy to the thoughts and feelings of so many others and having the opportunity to share my own. 

Before I go on with somemore thoughts of my own, I want to highlight a couple of things other folks have said that particularly resonate for/with me: 

Calla Firestorm said: 
I think that it may be relevant to the topic at hand, in addition to the definitions offered above, to consider some additional definitions of "sacred" beyond the ones limited to being bound to a religion or diety.
3. Designated or exalted by a divine sanction; possessing the highest title to obedience, honor, reverence, or veneration; entitled to extreme reverence; venerable.
4. Hence, not to be profaned or violated; inviolable.
5. Consecrated; dedicated; devoted; -- with to.
6. Solemnly devoted
These definitions do not require a deity or religion -- merely consideration and the ensuing dedication and commitment.

Aslanemperor said:
When I saw this, I immediately thought that I might have found someone who thinks of things like I do.  If you're looking for sacredness in BDSM, I ask you to look at a good submissive.
She is the most special of girls (or sometimes boys).  She will give you all of herself, and pour her heart and soul into you whenever you want it.  She will obey you and serve you and the more she serves and the more she pleases you, the happier she will be.
I have said this to many people:  I think that there is no greater show of absolute love then that of a submissive to her Dom.  To me, this is sacred, and I charish any sub I ever have as the most prized posession I have.

Okay, a few more me-thoughts thrown in:

Calla Fairestorm:  Thank you for the definitions, they speak well to that which I feel/know. 

Aslanemperor:  Beautiful expressions.  I would propose that one could also take every instance where you cited sub and insert Dom (And vice versa).  Imo, one without the other can not be as elevated as the two together. 

I don't necessarily (dis-)believe in a 'higher power'.  I am absolutely sure that there are things bigger than I; the Universe, as an example. That does not demean my place in it; I am a part of it.  Some people may call what I call the Universe God.  Some may think my saying I am god, you are god, all is god a blasphemy; to me, it is a truism; we are all part of the same thing that is bigger than ourselves and we are all interconnected (Not just people, everything).  All things are sacred.  If I choose to honor you, I choose to honor all.  If I choose to harm you, I choose to harm all, I chooseto harm myself. 
Sex, a part of which is D/s, has always struck me as special, particularly sacred.  The potential for that exquisite alchemy that is greater than the sum of its parts, for me, seems most potentially manifest in this way.  This isn't a thought that appeared for meone day though it's developed moreso across time; from the moment I was aware of sex and understood what it was, I knew it for something precious.  Magical.  Sex is the place in which I have, on occasion and most strongly, felt the boundaries between myself and another melt, the twining of energies together, merging into something greater than the sum of its parts; achieving greater union with each other, with all, with the Universe. 
I also see in myself the desire to walk a spiritual path with a male partner/husband as my guide.  My beliefs are solid, they don't need shoring up but the shared communion of thought, of idea of sacredness strikes me as part of sacred dominion/submission; balance between us. 
  Davan

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 5:20:21 PM   
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Has Ds become a sacred path for you?


no

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 5:33:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Come on folks the power exchange is not that deep.  Most ppl do it cuz they enjoi how it makes them feel inside.  Not because it's a relgious exp.

BadOne


This is very true. But, for some, we are blessed to be able to use what we love and enjoy...and what makes us hot...as tools to connect with 'the divine', however that might be described. So, for you, it seems this is just fun. For us, this is fun and more!

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yep yep yep I hold my kids and family close and that's about it.  The rest is BS

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 5:36:31 PM   
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Has Ds become a sacred path for you?


no

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 8:49:41 PM   
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While "sacred" would not mirror any feeling(s) I have towards it, it has been a mirror of sorts echoing stuff about me I've long had a suspicion of but was without the structure with which to understand how it would work or where it even belonged. Many of the traits we all have, kept in more vanilla surroundings, can become insecurities...concerns about whether something inherent in our being is just a flaw that contributes to lost opportunities and deteriorated past experiences.

I think it was when I realized there was a 'place' for the things I seek (and a demographic that conversely sought it also) that I was able to begin more usefully assessing aspects of myself and how they can potentially affect others.

And (as with most everything in life) since it's still a work in progress, the path is still upon me.

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 9:06:30 PM   
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Has Ds become a sacred path for you? If so how?

Yes. In ways far greater than words can convey at this exact moment in time (it's in the very early hours of the morning here right now.....)
but;
commitment
humility
love
perseverence
tolerance
fortitude
reverence
service
focus
creativity....
these are some of the constructs i equate equally with the sacred and the profane.
It is indeed those ways in which the profane become sacred which sustain and maintain my involvement with those i respect and admire most.
There is very often a moment in time, that moment when i absorb pain and humiliation that goes beyond my personal comfort zone when i feel that i am absorbing what could easilt go out into the world as uncontrolled sadism. Even saying that here seems to go beyond what i hope is my part of the bargain which is a sustained humility which is at the same time a profound strength. It is a strength i feel kinship within with others who term themselves slaves. i am allowed and encouraged to share and bear the pride of that which i am.
It's a microcosm the dynamic i am in but multiplied many thousands of times in all their infinite subtle varieties in each and every consensual Master/slave relationship in the world: well i believe the world to be a safer and indeed a more sacred place to be.
The words don't adequate;y describe it all but i hope they come close....


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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 9:13:28 PM   
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Has Ds become a sacred path for you? If so how?

No, for me, there is nothing sacred about it at all. It simply is just a preferance to how I want my relationships to play out.

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 9/30/2008 9:16:37 PM   
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Has Ds become a sacred path for you? If so how?


No. This is the way I prefer to live, like prefering a city lifestyle over a country one. Nothing particularly sacred about it.

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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 10/1/2008 5:46:28 AM   
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Thank you everyone for responding to this post. i am the type of person who seeks the sacredness in all areas of my life. It is a major part of who i am. i brought this topic up just incase others view life this way too. Nice to see there are a few.

Blessed Be
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RE: Sacredness in Ds - 10/1/2008 9:37:47 AM   
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Well subs have been known to get on their knees. I don't think when they open their mouths that that are seeking spiritual guidence. Granted that you do find out things about yourself but you would do that no matter what lifestyle you chose to lead.  

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