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SassySarijane -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (9/30/2008 5:15:27 PM)

Master Fire, I don't expect the tops to read my mind nor do I blame them. I apologise if I gave that impression. I know the fault lies with me for not speaking up more as I should, I accept that failing in myself. I thank you for your feedback and showing me how some of what I posted is coming off. I know I'm not articulating very well what I'm trying to say when I'm coming off as blaming the tops.




Slavelary -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (9/30/2008 6:37:55 PM)

Well I know I've experienced hot-wax torture before and I kinda like it...  My previous Master's Mistress (lol!) loved doing that to me.  She'd call it "Manischewitz time" 'cos She'd use Manischewitz candles while drinking Manischewitz wine...

Well I tend to like a variety of torture really.  Why just stick with getting whipped?




Roselaure -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (9/30/2008 8:15:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Slavelary

Well I know I've experienced hot-wax torture before and I kinda like it...  My previous Master's Mistress (lol!) loved doing that to me.  She'd call it "Manischewitz time" 'cos She'd use Manischewitz candles while drinking Manischewitz wine...

Well I tend to like a variety of torture really.  Why just stick with getting whipped?


I would consider drinikng Manischewitz to be punishment enough.




SlaveIndigochild -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (9/30/2008 8:52:52 PM)

i am a masochist. i am a slave. These two aspects of who i am dovetail well together in as much as a great deal of my pleasure derives from my master;s pleasure. The choice, initiation and indeed the negotiation for my own pleasure, is NOT the guiding dynamic. The choice and initiation is to service and provide for His pleasure and thence mine own. This obviously includes a wide range of sensations for me but it is as pleasurable for me to be denied satiation AND to be in receipt of heavy pain delivery/sensation. It has been part of my development that what was once self-denial masochism has thus become pleasure.
What i find interesting, because it is so far off my radar these days, is the role which negotiation takes in your play.




caelestis -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (9/30/2008 9:53:51 PM)

I think part of the need/desire for the lighter stuff ties into the fact that a build up of lighter things will usually lead to being able to handle heavier beatings. This may simply be a personal thing, but I've found that if I'm started out with lighter floggers and whatnot, I can withstand more hits from a cane than I would if started out with that. Perhaps because the exchange from pain to pleasure is already started in your mind and the endorphins have already started rushing?

Besides the more physical reasoning behind it, it could possibly be that things need to be mixed up. Like if you listen to a good song over and over you get sick of hearing it. If you just hear that song everyonce in awhile mixed in with other things you're still like "Ooooh I love this song!".

I certainly hope that makes sense to others.... [:D]




SassySarijane -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (10/1/2008 3:02:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SlaveIndigochild

What i find interesting, because it is so far off my radar these days, is the role which negotiation takes in your play.


Do you mean because I do negotiate? Can you expand on this a bit for me?




tsatske -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (10/1/2008 3:32:24 AM)

Sassy,
This is not an insult, I am hoping it does not come across as one. But I think it may be a special problem for you because you are playing with a variety of playmates. There is nothing wrong with that, but it does change the dynamic.
Master owns me. He knows what I like and want and need. I mostly want to please and serve him, but I know I can trust him to incorperate my desires into that, in the right time, in the right way.
Part of that happens, not because he is a mind reader, or that collaring him gave him special psychic powers, but that we are together all the time, talking, i blog for him (yea, no i don't, but i am supposed to, and every now and then i actually do), ect. He gets feedback from playing me, he gets feedback when i watch others play, he gets feedback about what I read here and on simular places - lots and lots of feedback.
In our group, I am known as the heaviest maso. Not only do I like it hard and heavy and lots of it, I don't like warm up. Many light sensations, as you said, I just love - others drive me absolutely fucking bats. I don't mean tickling - which I hate, so he does it anyway - i mean gritting my teeth 'are you fucking hitting me back there?' which is - never mind, it is too hard to explain. But group members have seen how we play, have heard stories like that, so - they have a much more limited set of information than Master does.
Master is aware that the danger of letting others play with me is therefore that they will play MUCH too hard, to try to compensate, without understanding what else he might do to make it all work. From the outside, observing, it looks like - pick up the heavest bat you can find and wale away at full force.
All I am saying is, if you are playing with someone that you are not in a steady constant relationship with, then, yes, you are right, much more communication and negotation is going to be necessary. I know you don't expect them to read your mind - but I understand other things, as well. You trust them to play you, or you wouldn't be playing with them. You don't want to direct the scene. all sorts of things like that. Maybe you can find a way to just talk to them about a variety of things you like, without directly 'negotating' them for the scene - nothing wrong with negotation, but there comes a point when it is too much for you, whereever that is, and it starts to interfere with your scene mind space, because you feel like you are directing the scene, you know whats coming, ect. So perhaps just learning to talk about a lot of different things - both right before you play with someone, and just general chat with people you know you sometimes play with. 'I saw that rabbit fur paddle. Wow, that looked awesome. Where'd you get it? I bet it feels wonderful.' Also, it might help to have your own toy bag, that you can add to any Dom that is playing you own toy bag, giving him access to both. Then you can include a mixture of heavy toys and lighter toys, and sensation toys, which might give them a clue.
Master ALWAYS finished me with my favorite flogger (which is named 'candy'), and which i love so much that he has told me it is reserved for me. He won't play anyone else with it. I didn't ask him to do that, he just did. And I ALWAYS get candy, at the end. YUM.




DMFParadox -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (10/1/2008 3:54:37 AM)

tsatske, thank you for an enlightening post.




SassySarijane -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (10/1/2008 6:06:57 AM)

tsatske,

This didn't come across as insulting at all. Thank you for your response. It's giving me more to think on and is very enlightening. I know I have a problem with outright asking for specifics and always have. I am working on it and I hope I can finally overcome it.

I'm not sure it's because I play with several tops though. Maybe, but as I mentioned in a previous post, the ones I generally play with are friends and I have come to trust them over the time I've known and played with them. We talk a lot about different things. It is just when it comes to actually asking for a specific thing to be done that I have a problem speaking up. Having the conversation recently that led to me getting to experience floggers after so long has helped me realize that I can speak up and ask and that I need to really work on overcoming that flaw.

Now I will say that there is one specific top I play with that I would not ask for a softer kind of play from because we have a specific play dynamic that softer touches don't fit in. It would feel wrong and I don't quite know how to fully explain that. When we play it is full on taking everything he can give and a little more and that works between us.




LPslittleclip -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (10/1/2008 10:43:36 AM)

sassy
you are not alone in this i am a bit of a heavy sub and i am lucky that my M'Lady understands and uses many different sensations and toys during the scene. one of the first things that my M'lady demanded of me was to communicate with her (respectfully of course) in all of O/our dealings. this has benefited more than just me, my M'lady has tried new things and encourages others in the ones that are enjoyed. of course this means that packing for an event is a challenge as the carrying capacity of the car has nearly been reached.  i am very lucky to have been able to experience so many different things and have such a wonderfully Dominant, and a understanding wife.




AMaster -> RE: Do Other Heavy Masochists Experience This Too? (10/1/2008 11:12:34 AM)

Sassy:
Is there one DOM in the group you are comfortable talking to?  You are never going to get what you want if you do not make your need known.
Personally, I would get pleasure experimenting with light play.  I would enjoy watching your response to new things you had not felt before.  I'd revel  in exploring your reactions- possibly finding something that sends you over the top more that the heavy play. I'd  feel total domination over you because I decide what each session will bring.  I would savor each moment of bringing you along slowly.  I'd delight in the physiological aspects:  You wonder before each session which it will be-mild? wild?  both?  You wonder if it starts slow will it escalate?  If you reach a point where you beg for more, will you pleas be headed....... or will your Master make the decision, maybe at the flip of a coin?

I can see wonderfully sadistic possibilities.........  but that's just me.




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