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Termyn8or -> RE: Russia: No possibility of war with US (9/22/2008 10:02:46 AM)
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I finally took the time to read this whole thread, many good points made, many with which I agree, many with which I don't.
The fact that a Russian representative said there would be no war with the US brings up something to me. That sounded like an answer, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION ?
People have many miscoceptions about Russia. First of all Putin is not a dictator, never has been. He has been called one of the world's most competent leaders in fact. He was President for a while, now he has some other position. Contrary to popular beliefs, most other countries have elections, a court system by which people can defend themselves against accusation and even tort law, yes tort law. Russia included.
Someone said that Russia will not start a war with the US because they can't win. That is patently untrue, they have the resources and the technology, if not to win, to really give us a run for our money, and speaking of money, while we buy oil, they sell it. It is likely that they could sustain war for a bit longer than the US, and sometimes that is what does it. We have to stop thinking that we can just kick everybody's ass at will because it simply is not true.
Russia is not taking this laying down either, they came out and said that if these US deployments happen, they will be putting similar installations in Cuba and maybe a few south American countries. Venezuela comes to mind.
This is not far off from the original Cuban missile crisis. Russia putting missiles in Cuba was caused by the planned deployment of similar US facilities in Europe. It was not made all that public, but JFK aborted those deployments in an agreement with Russia, well the USSR back then.
This is all part of a "reasoning" called mutually assured destruction, which I believe is most aptly acronymised to the letters MAD.
We are led to believe (in the US) that we act defensively, but further study of history seems to find us again and again as the aggressor. Remember JFK's missile crisis, agreeing to NOT do something thrawted that problem. Now Russia's "threat" is in direct response to something GWB wants to do.
Let's go back to Pearl Harbor. For now forget that there is evidence that FDR knew the attack was coming, focus on why the attack was coming. We had embargos, sanctions and blockades going on against Japan before they attacked. Why ? They were allies with Germany, but Germany did not attack us.
Which brings us to another point about US foreign policy. If Germany was the threat, why were the bombs dropped on Japan ? One could also ask why if the 9/11 attack on the world trade center was borne in Afghanistan, why did the bombs fall on Iraq ? I have the answer but I will not go into it right now. Trying to take the simplistic view, which is sometimes the clearest, I see that our attitude is that might makes right. I also know why the bombs fell on Japan, rather than Germany, but that is not the point.
What I am saying, is that I see that it is very possible that the US started the cold war, and seems to want to start another. Let me tell you, the world is not going to put up with this forever.
I also agree with those who spoke of these countries showing a bit of backbone and saying NO to these missile sites. If I were the leader of a foreign country I would say no to the US, and I would say no to Russia as well. I would say "sell us the missiles and all that, and if you have problems in the future maybe we will help you out".
In that light, let me ask you this : How many foreign military bases are on US soil ? Moreover, which is the only country in the world to actually use a nuclear weapon against another country ? Hint, it's the same country that claims to have the authority globally to dictate which countries may or may not have nuclear weapons, or even technology.
Add to that the fact that the US buys most of it's friends among nations that are smaller than some of the several states. Let me tell you something about bought friends, you never buy them, you can only rent them. When our money becaomes practically worthless, so shall their friendship.
Yes things are so good here now that quite a few states have actual measures proposed to secede from the union. You won't hear this on Fox. It is true, they are getting sick of it, and I don't blame them. I will post about that but not yet as I do not have enough information. It will probably not happen, but the fact that they are considering it is interesting. I am not talking about a basement full of knuckle dragging beer bellies, I mean in state legislatures, elected representatives. Bet you didn't know that. Actually a less obscure fact is that Texas has considered secession many times, and their particular status as a state assures their right to do so. They could become a seperate republic tomorrow. Not that it will happen of course, but it could.
Ohio doesn't even have to seceed, because under the Law, Ohio is not a state. I don't have to pay federal taxes, and I don't. Texas' particular status makes it easy for them to seceed. There are other states with similar situations.
And now the grand finale, just so you don't think I am going sane or anything, a thought just zigged into my head, so I will zag it to the keyboard.
What if all fifty states seceeded ?
You know what happened the first time some states wanted to seceed, the civil war and the subsequent "reconstruction". But ALL fifty states, all seceed. We would be a body of fifty nations, probably with mutual treaties and such, but no more federal government, if they even continued to exist they would be largely irrelevant.
Now there's a thought.
T
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