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scarlethiney -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 6:17:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TysGalilah

Which is it for you hobby, need, or identity? 

Not a hobby
Not a need, although there have been times when I have felt need about it, it is not something that I would die from not having....I would live, but just not as happily or as fulfilled.
 
Not my identity.
  My collar identifies me as His.  His submissive.  But, I feel I am more than a submissive.  I have many roles in my life, many of them satisfy me and enhance my life a great deal>>, perhaps just in a different way than my submission does.  I am not identifyed by one of them, but my identity is more likely from a combo of all of them.
 
What is it for me?
   An expression of me. 
 
My painting expresses the way I see the world around me
My writing expresses my fantasy, my feelings at times when I cannot find the verbal words.
My teaching expresses my love and passion for working with children with special needs.
My submission to Tyson expresses my core nature (another  passion) which is a nurturer, caregiver, someone who loves to serve and help others.
   It also reflects the style of relationship that was modeled to me by my parents  and feels right for me. 
  The kink or (bdsm)extreme parts of my ds relationship taps into my darker self, my more intense emotional and physical feelings and gives me a place to express that...in safety and around someone who is in control so that I can surrender mine.
 
 


That was beautifully said galilah. Thank you!

scarlet




lovingpet -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 8:25:32 AM)

Thanks to all for the wonderful responses.  I am fully aware that on some level all three of these may speak to a person, or at least more than one.  What caught my attention is how these three people have polarized them at this time.  They appear to not be able to integrate these aspects.  My guess is that some of this is coming from raging denial from the new party.  This person may not be able to accept the various ways and the depth of involvement he/she is experiencing.  This is further impacted if the spouse is completely unwilling to respect the new person.

I guess what I am interested in is how these aspect play off each other.  It is clear that for the most part there are some elements of all three in the perceptions of many.  How has the integration occurred over time and what facilitated it?

lovingpet




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 9:55:12 AM)

Well the most common way is to completely leap into this and have it take over every part and every way of your life.  Then you burn out, crash and go through a harsh period of disillusionment, rebalancing and resentment.  Then you come back, hopefully with a broader perspective, taking what you want and leaving the rest, living harmoniously with things in balance, some more at the fore than other and then shifting around as priorities dictate.

I suppose this was somewhat how it was for me, but since I had the college life and a long distance relationship, I wasn't really able to make my whole life about one thing for very long, it was a whole process of discovery and awareness.  By the time I had the freedom to make life all about kink, I'd already been burned and aware enough to know how to balance better.

For me the relationship dynamic simply flows through everything.  If you've done the foundation work well, there's not much active attention you have to put towards the basics of communicating and working well together and just some basic maintenence and growth as you desire.  The kink can then be more enjoyed as your energy and desire levels permit.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 10:03:46 AM)

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Which is it for you hobby, need, or identity?  Do you see further areas of grey, because I know I sure do?  How did/does this change over time for you?  Under what conditions might you adhere more soundly to one of these than the other?  There is a myriad more questions that could be posed from this, but that is an adequate start.  Feel free to cover other ground if you would like.  I do want personal perspectives and know that answers will differ.


It depends on what we're talking about. I am a dominant leader; this is my Identity. I am a twisted, terrifying person who wants to make others suffer; this is my Identity. I take younger subs and doms and discuss their kink with them, mentor them if I can, and help them better and more bravely develop their desires and interests; this is my Identity. I take pretty, thin contortionists and tie them up and turn them into art; this is a Need. I come up with ideas for things no one has done before, and then I build bondage gear, clothing, and equipment; this is a Need. I train girls to walk in ballet boots and tightlace corsets and do backbends and give head; this is a Need. I put on stage shows and show off who I am and what I can do; this is a Need. I occasionally enjoy tying up pretty women and having sex with them; this is a Hobby. I occasionally enjoy whipping or cutting on someone; this is a Hobby. I occasionally enjoy casual D/s play; this is a Hobby.

Does this make sense?




CreativeDominant -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 12:42:26 PM)

For me, it is not my identity.  I am many other things besides being a dominant...a father, a brother, a doctor, a bike and hot rod enthusiast, an avid reader.  It IS a part of my identity, just as being a sadist is a sub-identity of my being a dominant.

It is not a hobby.  I don't do either BDSM or D/s just for fun.  BDSM, while I consider it to be the most playful part of any D/s dynamic I am in, still satisfies certain urges and needs within me whereas I don't need hot rodding to satisfy any urge other than the urge and need to drive something different from everyone else.

It isn't a need.  Unlike food or shelter or water, I won't die without it.  But I will get morose and cranky when I am not involved in some sort of D/s interaction.  I can do longer without BDSM than I can without some sort of D/s interaction before the irritability sets in.  Thankfully, I have friends that I relate to in a D/s manner even though they are not my submissive.  These are the casual friends I have mentioned before...they respect me as a dominant and they respond in a submissive manner to that and I enjoy that.

All that said, I will not...would not...could not...don't want to...walk into a vanilla life again.




kidwithknife -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 2:37:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I wanted to clarify that in speaking to identity, I was not at all suggesting that this aspect would be the total sum of the person.  I simply meant that, as was stated above, it arises out of the core of a person.  A personality trait. 

Thanks for the posts!

lovingpet
With that clarification, I'd largely go for the 'identity' descriptor, at least as regards myself.  It's an aspect of who I am, although by no means the only,  or even the most vital aspect.

But even as a very young child, way too young to understand sex, I remember clearly that I very much had control over every single one of my  imaginary friends.

But it's one of an infinite whole.  And like all aspects, it wanes and waxes depending on where I am at any one time.




Padriag -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 2:40:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

Which is it for you hobby, need, or identity?

D) None of the above.  None of these entirely fits, though some or all fit at different times and under differing circumstances.  Certainly some of the fetish play would be a hobby for me, as would designing and building bondage furniture for my own amusement.  Being dominant is an aspect of my personality, and a general one at that... I tend to be dominant in most areas of my life.  Sexual and/or "lifestyle" dominance is just another expression of this.  One could argue that some aspects of this are needs, things essential to my happiness, to a healthy psyche (I'm a bit dubious about that in my case, there are very few things in my life I'd qualify as a need because there are very few things I could not live without or could not be happy without... I'm a very adaptive person.  I haven't played World of Warcraft in a couple months and I'm doing just fine!  LOL).

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Do you see further areas of grey, because I know I sure do?
  
Absolutely, I think much of it is a grey area which is why things like this, the nature of submission, dominance, masters, slaves, etc. is so often debated.  There is an ongoing struggle to understand this lifestyle by those involved in it, which results in forums such as this one as well as other venues.  Over the years I've observed that about the only thing that gets resolved are personal perspectives and that comes only with time and experience... otherwise the debates, arguments, etc. rage on.  In other words, you can define what those grey areas are for you, an that will be valid for you, but that's also about as far as it goes.  What works for you may not be true of anyone else... or it might be true of many... or anywhere inbetween.

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How did/does this change over time for you?

For me, it has changed greatly over the years.  In the beginning I was all about trying to neatly define everything, wanted everything in black and white terms.  I probably pursued that notion long after it was sensible just because I'm hard headed that way and overly analytical.  But eventually I gained a new perspective, one that was broader and took in the complexities involved.  I'm not any one thing, neither is anyone else.  While I have known submissives who are very submissive most of the time... I've never known any submissive who was all the time.  Neither am I "fully dominant" all the time... some days I just don't give a shit... I'm too tired or too stressed to be bothered and rather than "making her feel my dominance" I'd really rather just a back rub or a hug.  Even dominants sometimes could do with a bit of comforting.  This past year in particularly has illustrated that in my life.  There was a submissive staying with me for awhile as my "slave".  The past 18 months have been extremely stressful and challenging as I ventured into some new endeavors.  There were days what I really needed was someone to just rub my shoulders, show some compassion, and be supportive... unfortunately that wasn't something she was particularly good at.  She's now gone, things did not end well, and life goes on.  A big part of why things ended as they did is that neither of us was living up to the others expectations... she wanted someone I wasn't able to be at that time, and likewise, she wasn't able to be what I needed.  Which isn't about blame (which is pointless), but rather just the facts of the situation.

So what has changed for me over the years?  Pretty much my entire perspective.  There are fewer things I set down in concrete terms.  For example... I am dominant, dominance is a general aspect of my nature... that much is pretty concrete.  How dominant am I... that varies from one day to the next, according to my stress levels, how tired I am, how much I have on my mind, and even who I am with and how attracted I am to them.  I refer to myself as a Master.  Like others before me there was a time I tried to qualify that... I no longer do.  Referring to myself as such is an expression of how I mentally and emotionally express that dominance in intimate relationships.  What qualifies me as a Master?  Not a damn thing, anymore than anything qualifies me as a fan of Virginia Tech, or a particular ice cream or anything else... they're all personal choices.  There's no test for any of this, beyond life itself and that is one test we are all continually taking and retaking every day... sometimes doing better than other days.  I've long since realized that "ownership" of a "slave" is at best an illusion... I can easily point to a few that walked out the door as proof of that.  Like me referring to myself as a "master" their self-identification as a "slave" is a personal one, an expression of something they wish for, how they wish to live, a desired role in a relationship.  And just as how dominant I am varies, so does how submissive a "slave" is.  I don't care how dominant or submissive you think you are, that all goes out the window when you're bent over a toilet puking your guts out from a stomach virus... little things like that remind us that we are humans first, and everything else second.  (Sorry for the visual folks, but I wanted a strong visual most could identify with)   

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Under what conditions might you adhere more soundly to one of these than the other?

That varies widely... and it does vary.  As I pointed out before, I might express my dominance more strongly at sometimes than others.  Sometimes that might be less because I'm very stressed... at other times the stress might cause it to express more strongly.  Likewise when I'm feeling happy, that too can affect my level of dominance.  But not only does it affect how strongly it is expressed, it also affects the character of how it is expressed.  Sometimes when I am stressed I become much more dominant... but it expresses in a much harsher form that usually neither I or the submissive is overly happy with.  When I'm more relaxed, the expression of that dominance, however "strong" it may be, tends to be more balanced.  My point being, things change for many reasons, we're complicated creatures in many ways.  Today I might "need" to flog a submissive, tomorrow it might be more of a casual thing like a hobby... some days I'm very casual in the expression of my dominance, at other times its more serious.  Need, hobby, identity... what pair of shoes are you wearing today?
 




lovingpet -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 5:53:01 PM)

Thanks for all the input.  Please feel free to continue to contribute.

lovingpet




MIVixen -> RE: Hobby, Need, and Identity (9/19/2008 11:58:51 PM)

This is an interesting topic; one that I have thought about and discussed with others.  Since I am relatively new and inexperienced, I have come to the conclusion that I need more time and experience to decide what my own answer to this question is.  I have learned not to take it too seriously, but be aware of my thoughts, feelings, and emotions along the way, at some point I will gather them up and come to a conclusion.  Until then, I'm going to enjoy the process! 




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