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Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 5:37:51 PM   
FatDomDaddy


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Status: offline 		In the wake of N.O.W throwing their support to Obama, I am wondering if in the eyes of "Women on the Left" if nothing else matters unless you are also for Abortion on Demand?

Should not Feminism be about more than one issue???

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 5:43:50 PM   
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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 5:44:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bet that the 'eyes of women on the left' all see things in individual ways. Just like.. individuals tend to do.

As to feminism being only one issue, I don't know a single person who believes it doesn't encompass much more than abortion.

If you are speaking to people who that one dimensional then I hope that you broaden your horizons and discover that although there may be one name used (feminism) it covers more than one thought or direction.

A little bit like how BDSM isn't limited to one true way of thinking.


I'm curious as to the reason behind the attempt at an inflammatory post. It seems like too much of a lump assumption for you to believe.


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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 5:52:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Camille, that was a fantastic response. I only wish I could have kept my cool and come up with something like that. Thank goodness, you did :-) .

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:14:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		FDD I for one appreciate your use of the misnomer "pro abortion",I had been confused I thought the issue  was "pro-choice" as opposed to "pro-life...now I see there is a third option .Thank you for setting me straight.BTW just how many "pro abortion woman" do you know,the females I have met would never describe themselves in this manner....and if it were possible for you to go thru an abortion I think you might find a different way to express yourself..

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:23:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		No one is pro-abortion, but because "the abortion debate" is not really about abortion, it really isn't a single issue.  Its a symbolic debate about many issues, and as such, it tends to be a good belleweather for me.  When I listen to a candidate's discussion of the "issue", I get a sense of how he or she feels about fostering the well-being of all of us.

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:35:34 PM   
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I bet that the 'eyes of women on the left' all see things in individual ways. Just like.. individuals tend to do.

As to feminism being only one issue, I don't know a single person who believes it doesn't encompass much more than abortion.

If you are speaking to people who that one dimensional then I hope that you broaden your horizons and discover that although there may be one name used (feminism) it covers more than one thought or direction.

A little bit like how BDSM isn't limited to one true way of thinking.



Well then I would think that women of all stripes would embrace Sarah Palin yet for all that she has acomplished, it seems that because she comes down on the side of pro-life and is against "abortion on demand" she has been pilloried by groups like N.O.W.

I would like to think that Feminism on a National political scale means more than supporting "abortion on demand", yet I have not seen proof of allowing Pro-Life Feminists to participate in N.O.W or in other left leaning women's groups.

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:40:19 PM   
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Should not Feminism be about more than one issue???
Should not definitions of an umbrella ideology, with a wide variety of views and a large body of writings, need you to reference more than a single organisation to draw a legitimate conclusion? And does adding superfluous punctuation increase the gravitas of an argument?"*&^

As a sidepoint, what the two sides of the argument actually boil down to is this.  Those who believe that their personal values override women having the right to not being forced to give birth against their will.  And those who don't.  It's entirely possible for someone to be completely opposed to abortion personally, and still fall into the second category.

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:43:42 PM   
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I bet that the 'eyes of women on the left' all see things in individual ways. Just like.. individuals tend to do.

As to feminism being only one issue, I don't know a single person who believes it doesn't encompass much more than abortion.

If you are speaking to people who that one dimensional then I hope that you broaden your horizons and discover that although there may be one name used (feminism) it covers more than one thought or direction.

A little bit like how BDSM isn't limited to one true way of thinking.



Well then I would think that women of all stripes would embrace Sarah Palin yet for all that she has acomplished, it seems that because she comes down on the side of pro-life and is against "abortion on demand" she has been pilloried by groups like N.O.W.

I would like to think that Feminism on a National political scale means more than supporting "abortion on demand", yet I have not seen proof of allowing Pro-Life Feminists to participate in N.O.W or in other left leaning women's groups.
You're kidding here aren't you FDD.Your view of Feminism means all woman should get in lockstep behind any female candidate no matter her stance on the issues purely because she wears a skirt...pretty much the way McCain selected her.This type of thinking is a joke and can not seriously be defended by intelligent people...

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:53:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, FDD, Sarah Palin is staunchly anti-women's rights in regaurd to their own bodies' reproductive systems. Only the Federal Government has the right to tell you how it can be used.

Funny, but I bet if the Feds showed up on your doorstep, telling you that you have to be castrated, you wouldn't be quite so supportive of them.

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:55:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a debate going on in forums all over the internet kid.

My point is that it would seem politics and especially abortion politics seem to trump Feminsim when the definition includes women like Sarah Palin


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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 6:59:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see! So women from all walks of life should love Palin simply because she is a woman! But of course, this makes sense.

Tell me, then, what makes you personally twitch so much about Obama and black voters again?

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:00:17 PM   
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Well then I would think that women of all stripes would embrace Sarah Palin yet for all that she has acomplished, it seems that because she comes down on the side of pro-life and is against "abortion on demand" she has been pilloried by groups like N.O.W.

I would like to think that Feminism on a National political scale means more than supporting "abortion on demand", yet I have not seen proof of allowing Pro-Life Feminists to participate in N.O.W or in other left leaning women's groups.


I happen to be a Sarah Palin guy, but I could see how others might not embrace her on her views if they disagree.
I will never understand why anyone would vote for her because she was a woman.  While some people vote for a candidate because they are black, white, woman, republican, democrat, when we get in the voting booth people generally vote their conscience, in my opinion.


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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:01:46 PM   
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You're kidding here aren't you FDD.Your view of Feminism means all woman should get in lockstep behind any female candidate no matter her stance on the issues purely because she wears a skirt...pretty much the way McCain selected her.This type of thinking is a joke and can not seriously be defended by intelligent people...


Not at all but I am concerned so many on the left refuse to 
acknowledge women like Sarah Palin, Rachel MacNair, Anne Northrup and Patricia Heaton as Feminists

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:05:14 PM   
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Should not Feminism be about more than one issue???


For me, feminism is about choice.  And rights.  Including, but not limited to reproductive rights.  Feminism is about a lot more than abortion.

I would never consider myself pro-abortion.  But I am certainly pro-choice.  And I have strong feelings regarding reproductive rights.




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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:11:17 PM   
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I see! So women from all walks of life should love Palin simply because she is a woman! But of course, this makes sense.

Tell me, then, what makes you personally twitch so much about Obama and black voters again?


Nothing makes me twitch about Black Voters voting for Obama. I applaud all that do so and find nothing at all wrong with pride being the deciding factor to vote for him.  But that is not what this thread is about.

Now I do not think that "women from all walks of life should love Palin" but I also think she should be recognized on the national political stage as a ceiling shattering Feminist.


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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:12:35 PM   
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Should not Feminism be about more than one issue???


For me, feminism is about choice.  And rights.  Including, but not limited to reproductive rights.  Feminism is about a lot more than abortion.

I would never consider myself pro-abortion.  But I am certainly pro-choice.  And I have strong feelings regarding reproductive rights.



You describe exactly how I feel...not pro-abortion but certainly pro-choice.  NOW is just a group of liberal woman using the feminist movement to foster their progressive, democrat party agenda.  I don't recall any conservative woman that NOW has embraced, no matter how succesful that woman might have been in breaking the glass ceiling.   Shame on them...but really shame on people who join this corrupt organization and don't understand it's true agenda.

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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:14:09 PM   
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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:14:39 PM   
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Oh and I lived thru Thatcher, its enough to make you realise that feminists are NOT all the same, just like men, sheesh go figure,
stop stirring , lol its painfully obvious
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RE: Does Feminism Equate Pro Abortion? - 9/16/2008 7:14:54 PM   
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I happen to be a Sarah Palin guy, but I could see how others might not embrace her on her views if they disagree.
I will never understand why anyone would vote for her because she was a woman.  While some people vote for a candidate because they are black, white, woman, republican, democrat, when we get in the voting booth people generally vote their conscience, in my opinion.


Because sometime you have to make a choice between two candidates of equal standings such as the one between Obama and Clinton. There also should be no reason as to why sex or race cannot be the deciding factor in that instance.

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