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corysub -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/10/2008 6:55:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I trust that its possible to bring another subject to this section; some may even welcome it.

Tomorrow marks the passing of another year from the day that was the demarcation point in my life. Those that know me personally know of what I speak. But this isn't about me. It's about my anger and frustration of what is occurring at the site I formally called my home office. After seven years all that's there is a hole. It is a national embarrassment. Go ahead, pick a political party, or agenda based advocates - ALL are responsible. Blame is for children and rear view mirror viewers. The bottom line is seven years later, there is still a hole where my office used to be.

After the attack I remember the advocacy and determination that existed among us to rebuild taller, higher, more elaborate. There was a desire to use the event not as a point of failure but as a rallying point for a lower Manhattan Renaissance. There was worry today about the Hadron Collider producing a 'black hole'. There's been one in NYC for seven years. A black hole of mismanagement, ego, guilt, political correctness; basically a black hole of many of the same things wrong with the USA in general right there to be seen by everyone in the world. Building have gone up in half the time taller, bigger, more expansive than anything planned for the 'Freedom Tower' in the time since 9/11. However here in the USA, fear keeps us from making any progress. Fear produced by guilt, fear produced by political correctness, fear produced wondering what others in the world will think if we dare to once again try to have the tallest, the biggest, and be the best; which used to be our country's mission statement while I was growing up. However that is now not the case. I'm not even sure it's an acceptable sentiment to aspire. As a result in lower Manhattan there is still a hole where my office used to be.

Tomorrow there will be much gnashing of teeth and wailing. I didn't want to commemorate that day. I prefer to commemorate the day before when I was planning on being at the office at 8:30 until later that night when my partner decided to take the early meeting and recommended I meet him instead at 11:00. Two and a half hours made for a big difference in my life. Meanwhile some rationalization for the hole where my office used to be...
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On the eve of the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, Mayor Bloomberg Wednesday called for a city takeover of Ground Zero construction.
"Progress on the redevelopment of the World Trade Center has been frustratingly slow, owing in large part to a multi-layered governance structure that has undermined accountability from the get-go," Bloomberg wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece. Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/09/10/2008-09-10_mayor_bloomberg_asks_for_lmdc_to_be_dism.html 


Seven years later here's the view of my office today: http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/ 

I don't go back to New York if I can help it.


My company was in the South Tower with a number of floors.  Management was there in the early 1990's when terrorists tried to take down the towers with bombs and failed.  It took about three hours to evacuate down those narrow stairwells.  When people started jumping from the North Tower my company evacuated, notwithstanding the Port Authority announcements that "all was well in the South Tower".  Sadly we lost six people, some security people who stayed behind and a few who did not want to make the trek down.  My secretary lost her husband, a friend lost his son, and we lost the thirty year old child of a neighbor who called her mother to say goodbye before joining the other girls.
It was the most emotional day in my life.  Every emotion from fear to estreme anger and looking for vengence against the perpetrators of such an outrage and killing of innocent people raced through me.  Walking across the 59th Street bridge after it reopened to pedistrian traffic it was ironic to see passerby's giving a muslim woman in full neck to foot dress on that hot afternoon water and helping her when she felt feint.  Amazing people Americans.  People from the factories in Queens lined the streets with bottles of water for the refugees from Manhattan.  There were no black, white, yellow, brown, republicans or democrats that day...only an extended family of Americans.  God I was so proud to be an American in that day of disaster.




OneMoreWaste -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/10/2008 7:29:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW
I am disgusted, and there is a very cynical part of me that wonders whether that hole in the ground is being left there to keep people from moving forward... to keep them afraid, controllable, and ignorant for as long as possible.

It angers me in ways that I can't even really explain well that, six years after this attempt to bring us crawling on our knees, we are -still- kneeling... this time at the feet of incompetent politicians who are incapable of envisioning and bringing forth a symbol of our own Phoenix-nature... leaving the implication that we are incapable of rising from the ashes of our own political posturing.


I don't know... while I certainly can't argue that fear-mongering has taken place, in some ways we've forgotten too much.

After the Twin Towers attack, The Daily Show and The Onion, two popular and long-running sources of political satire, went on hiatus. It was a national tragedy of a magnitude that made humor unanimously inappropriate.

Six and a half years later, Rudy Giuliani campaigns for President, and both entities ridicule him as "The Mayor of 9/11" for his attempts to trade on political capital from the event.

The most common point of 9/11 reference for non-New Yorkers? The often ludicrous restrictions imposed on everything from air travel to the mail in response to the attacks. The day that forever changed our ability to carry nail clippers onboard a flying bus.

In a way, the neglected wreckage is a perfectly appropriate symbol, summing up the way our nation has accomplished jack shit towards diddly-squat since then.




DomKen -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/10/2008 11:10:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I think the goal should be for something with the simple beauty and impact of the Oklahoma City bombing memorial or the Wall in D.C.


It seems almost strange hearing an outta towner call the Murrah memorial things like "simple" or "beautiful" Ken.  There's...... to much of the building left on the site (the concrete base of walls that were part of the structure, etc) .. to be "beautiful" to some of us.  Then again, I was part of the group that petitioned not to have a memorial built at All on the site.  Rebuilding - just... putting a new building up where the old one had stood - seems like a more fitting Memorial to me than any sort of ... I dun know.... glitz & glamor plaque studded light show.  Proof, if you will, that Life Goes On.  Proof that we haven't been overwhelmed.  Proof that we haven't been Substantially CHANGED or Damaged by the action that caused us to rebuild.
 
In the spirit of that same attitude, I would much prefer Not to see a "memorial" of some sort go up at the WTC site.  Just rebuild.  Erect new buildings, let companies move back into that piece of prime real estate for their offices, and get on with living life.

I was specifically talking about the chairs around the reflecting pool and should have made myself clear. There was more to the site that left very little impression on me. I was also there during the day and saw no light show so I may have misinterpreted the site.




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/10/2008 11:35:57 PM)

There's not a literal "light show"  - I was using that as a term to describe the..... Massive Effort....... that went into making it Very Specifically a MEMORIAL.  There are lights inside each of the "chairs" - and low reflecting lights that shine at very specific angles on the reflecting pool - after it gets dark.  But not an actual "show."
 
 The only portion of the entire site that I actually bother with (as a native OKCer) is the Immortality Tree.  That is a tree off to the (thinkin here for a sec lol) North side of the site, which was in a median area of the parking lot that was between the Murrah Building and the (still existing but now a memorial museum) Journal Record building directly north of Murrah.  Despite all the odds against it, as well as shrapnel damage and everything else in the parking lot being completely destroyed - that one tree Survived the blast.  Hell, it survived with less actual Damage than the Journal Record building - which Should have been Condemed from the damage it sustained.




pahunkboy -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/11/2008 6:08:26 AM)

No public official got fired or executed.  

We HAD security back then.  The Bush familys security company had ties to the WTC and the airlines.

I hate what the government let happen to the victims and the families.   It was a terrible day.  Regards to those who lost loved ones.  :-(




corysub -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/11/2008 6:48:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No public official got fired or executed.  

We HAD security back then.  The Bush familys security company had ties to the WTC and the airlines.

I hate what the government let happen to the victims and the families.   It was a terrible day.  Regards to those who lost loved ones.  :-(



What can I say....the sad thing is that I know you absolutely think this is truth!  God bless and watch over you... 




Mercnbeth -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/11/2008 1:55:46 PM)

~ Fast Reply ~
 
Tried to send a private note to everyone but in case I missed...
THANKS!
 



To you Rick! [sm=chug.gif]Hold that tee time will 'ya! [sm=dunno.gif] Who knows when I'll be there?




Vendaval -> RE: Lower Manhattan (9/11/2008 9:13:49 PM)

Take good care of your wondeful selves.  See you guys next time I travel South on Highway 101 again.  [:)]




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