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Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/9/2008 10:39:33 PM   
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A new Gallup poll shows that 50% of Americans now support the Republicans to take over the House of Representatives compared to 45% who want Democrats to stay in control. This is the first poll since 2005 that the Republicans had a lead on the question of who should control congress.

That is an 8 point swing in 1 month. But it is the internals of these polls that spell a possible disaster for the Democrats. An NBC News poll shows that young women, a strength for Obama, are now flocking to McCain/Palin. The poll shows a 23-pt swing among white women aged 18 to 49. Obama now leads in women by only 3 points. The gender gap has been neutralized. McCain also appears to be winning independents. Polls consistantly show McCain with a trend of picking up moderate and independent voters.

Looks like Pelosi and Reid ignoring that 10% congressional approval rating is going to come back and bite them at the ballot box. They should have allowed the oil drilling vote. That's going to sink them.
Keep in mind that the entire House of Representatives is up for re-election.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/31713/marked_shift_in_us_congressional_race/

You have to admit.....the GOP seems to have a strategy here. A damn good one.
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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/9/2008 10:45:08 PM   
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Pelosi announced in a cryptic way that they are going to allow a vote on drilling... she wouldn't say where or how much... but it is going to come with mandates for royalties and other stipulations.  They are to reveal more of their "compromise" (it occured in an all Dem caucass) tomorrow and later this week.

They really have no choice to not allow a vote on drilling as the ban ends at the end of this month, so the hand is dealt, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 1:36:03 AM   
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The odds would be against the Republicans winning back control. However, in New Jersey people are being strangled by taxes and wasteful corruption in the democrat controlled government.  I am not familiar with the qualifications of opposing candidates in all the congressional races, but the low popularity and "time for change" could sweep out many people in supposedly safe districts in an anti-incumbancy year.  Still, its a long-shot.

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 2:09:59 AM   
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There is definitely a groundswell of something building in the American electorate....and I doubt seriously that any politician has a true apprehension of what it is.  Overwhelming majorities of voters say this country is on a wrong track, that disapprove of Bush....that disapprove of Congress....and yet the Democrat contending for the White House is fading in the polls.

Voters indeed want a change--but I don't think either Obama or McCain know what change the voters want.  The voters themselves may not know what change they want.



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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 3:47:16 AM   
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Voters indeed want a change--but I don't think either Obama or McCain know what change the voters want.  The voters themselves may not know what change they want.



There is only one change in the election and that is Obama. For America to have a black President and a President who has a complex view of the world rather than the usual simplistic view of guys black hats and guys in white hats, would be a change for America. Apart from the probable good it would do for America itself to reject the failed policies of the Republicans, it would stop world wide anti-Bushism becoming world wide anti-Americanism. McCain, is more of the same, Palin is more of the same in a dress, xenophobic, simplistic and deranged. The failure of Obama would be seen as a rejection of political maturity for the security of a xenophobic comfort zone that will prove not only bad for the world but bad for America too.

Sadly, Obama's black skin will probably see him fail.

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 4:31:05 AM   
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Voters indeed want a change--but I don't think either Obama or McCain know what change the voters want.  The voters themselves may not know what change they want.



There is only one change in the election and that is Obama. For America to have a black President and a President who has a complex view of the world rather than the usual simplistic view of guys black hats and guys in white hats, would be a change for America. Apart from the probable good it would do for America itself to reject the failed policies of the Republicans, it would stop world wide anti-Bushism becoming world wide anti-Americanism. McCain, is more of the same, Palin is more of the same in a dress, xenophobic, simplistic and deranged. The failure of Obama would be seen as a rejection of political maturity for the security of a xenophobic comfort zone that will prove not only bad for the world but bad for America too.

Sadly, Obama's black skin will probably see him fail.


Obama has a "complex view of the world"?  I don't think so.  What is so complex about the politics of DEFEAT that the democrat party vomits to the country.  We saw it in VietNam when funding was eliminated for the government, and Saigon fell.  And this was after a "failed surge" by the North Vietnamese in the Tet offensive.
We saw it again in the "do nothing" administration of Jimmy Carter who left our embassy staff hostage in Iran for a year.  We saw it again by the democrat outcry AGAINST  Desert Storm.  Biden, Cuomo, and who could forget Rangle warning of 20,000 body bags filled mostly with black warriors.  Worst of all is the democrat "complex view" of warfare and despot leaders....surrender, withdrawl,,  negotiation, and compromise WHILE OUR TROOPS ARE UNDER FIRE!  During a time of war this was always a country whose politics stopped at our shores.  But he deep scars of the Gore defeat, the early 90's loss of control of Congress, partisan politcs has taken over the minds of the party leadership and they became bitter and hysterical, and wanted us all to throw away our guns!
Sorry, but putting ones head in the sand is not "complex"...It's stupid.

The democrat "complex view of the world" and their concern about "world opinion" is laughable. Europe in general LOVED the USA and strong Presidents like Reagan ...until the wall came down. Once the Soviet Empire fell, once the very real  Soviet threat to Europe with their tanks lined up along their borders diminished, Europeans could throw stones and ridicule old Uncle Sam.  I believe the Bear is coming back to life and Georgia is only the first step in a very clear message to the world.  I  believe you will once again see Europeans running under the skirts of Mother Liberty and Uncle Sam.

It's getting boring talking about NO MORE BUSH!  That has been the only mantra for the democrat party for years.  Trying to tag McCain as another Bush is a dog that won't hunt.  The republican base does not believe he is four more years of Bush and only the addition of Sarah Palin has energized his dying campaign and snatched Victory from the jaws of deafeat. No...McCain is not another Bush.

None of my fear of an Obama presidency is based on him being black.  Geraldine Ferrara was correct.  The only reason why he is where he is today is because of the affirmative action of the media promoting this fellow significantly above the pay grade he deserves.  Does anyone doubt that Hillary was so much better qualified to be President?  I believe he actually admitted one not so insigificant issue as to when conception begins was "above his pay grade". Really!  The man is an empty suit.  He is a candidate about whom the more we know the less we like...a young man with no experience, no record of success (other than his career) and a man who changes his mind with the frequency of the direction of the wind.

Chavez ran on a platform of change, Castro ran on a platform of change, look at a map of the world and countries that saw their way of life changed forever...and you will see a leader is or was there who promised CHANGE.  Obama promises change....you betcha...and I'm voting against it.  The man is not just liberal..he is a radical and I kinda like America with all its warts just the way it is...thank you. 

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 4:59:05 AM   
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You know CL, the times I have agreed with you have been few and far apart. 

But what you wrote is very true.


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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 5:10:38 AM   
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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 5:24:43 AM   
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Obama has a "complex view of the world"?  I don't think so.  What is so complex about the politics of DEFEAT that the democrat party vomits to the country.  We saw it in VietNam when funding was eliminated for the government, and Saigon fell.  And this was after a "failed surge" by the North Vietnamese in the Tet offensive.
We saw it again in the "do nothing" administration of Jimmy Carter who left our embassy staff hostage in Iran for a year.  We saw it again by the democrat outcry AGAINST  Desert Storm.  Biden, Cuomo, and who could forget Rangle warning of 20,000 body bags filled mostly with black warriors.  Worst of all is the democrat "complex view" of warfare and despot leaders....surrender, withdrawl,,  negotiation, and compromise WHILE OUR TROOPS ARE UNDER FIRE!  During a time of war this was always a country whose politics stopped at our shores.  But he deep scars of the Gore defeat, the early 90's loss of control of Congress, partisan politcs has taken over the minds of the party leadership and they became bitter and hysterical, and wanted us all to throw away our guns!
Sorry, but putting ones head in the sand is not "complex"...It's stupid.

The democrat "complex view of the world" and their concern about "world opinion" is laughable. Europe in general LOVED the USA and strong Presidents like Reagan ...until the wall came down. Once the Soviet Empire fell, once the very real  Soviet threat to Europe with their tanks lined up along their borders diminished, Europeans could throw stones and ridicule old Uncle Sam.  I believe the Bear is coming back to life and Georgia is only the first step in a very clear message to the world.  I  believe you will once again see Europeans running under the skirts of Mother Liberty and Uncle Sam.

It's getting boring talking about NO MORE BUSH!  That has been the only mantra for the democrat party for years.  Trying to tag McCain as another Bush is a dog that won't hunt.  The republican base does not believe he is four more years of Bush and only the addition of Sarah Palin has energized his dying campaign and snatched Victory from the jaws of deafeat. No...McCain is not another Bush.

None of my fear of an Obama presidency is based on him being black.  Geraldine Ferrara was correct.  The only reason why he is where he is today is because of the affirmative action of the media promoting this fellow significantly above the pay grade he deserves.  Does anyone doubt that Hillary was so much better qualified to be President?  I believe he actually admitted one not so insigificant issue as to when conception begins was "above his pay grade". Really!  The man is an empty suit.  He is a candidate about whom the more we know the less we like...a young man with no experience, no record of success (other than his career) and a man who changes his mind with the frequency of the direction of the wind.

Chavez ran on a platform of change, Castro ran on a platform of change, look at a map of the world and countries that saw their way of life changed forever...and you will see a leader is or was there who promised CHANGE.  Obama promises change....you betcha...and I'm voting against it.  The man is not just liberal..he is a radical and I kinda like America with all its warts just the way it is...thank you. 


America lost in Vietnam because it was fighting a colonial war and while it could have won the war by reducing Vietnam to glass, it wasn't going to win it any other way. As Ho Chi Min said, the Vietnamese will still be in Vietnam long after the Americans have gone home. Not only that, America was seen as the aggressor even by its allies.

The Iranians played Carter which was why they freed the hostages when Reagan got into pwer, not because Iran was scared of Reagan. They would have done the same the other way round. It was the military that balls up the rescue attempt of the hostages, not Carter.

In Iraq, America was the aggressive power. Bush lied to all Americans to fight that war of aggression. OK, you believe in American imperial ambitions, that's your perogative but that is what causes anti-Americanism in the world.

Europe didn't love Reagan, most Europeans thought he had lost his brain but soon realized he was senile and those behind him were working him. In fact the majority of Europeans thoroughly disliked him or at least the people working him. Rightwing Americans might belief Reagan brought down the USSR but no one else does. The USSR was rotting from inside out right from its inception, it was only a matter of time before it collapsed. Reagan, Thatcher, the Pope, all those that try to claim some credit for the USSR's fall were only fortunate to be in their positions when it fell, it had nothing to do with any of them.

Russia has a polulation of 150 million and an economy the size of London's, it can growl as much as it likes but it hasn't got that much power. Georgia happened because its president was stupid enough to believe Bush's promises and tried to take back their breakaway regions believing the US would come to their aid if they got into trouble. Fools.

Promising the Ukraine membership of NATO is another idiotic Republican policy. Ukraine might have a pro-western President but its Prime Minister, Police Chief and Army Chief are all pro-Russian. The US would be voting millions of Russian spies into NATO.

Europeans were never as paranoid of the USSR as America was. What was in the American media during the cold war was fear mongering to keep the American populace in fear and in its place.

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 5:43:06 AM   
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  He is a candidate about whom the more we know the less we like...a young man with no experience, no record of success (other than his career) and a man who changes his mind with the frequency of the direction of the wind.

Chavez ran on a platform of change, Castro ran on a platform of change, look at a map of the world and countries that saw their way of life changed forever...and you will see a leader is or was there who promised CHANGE.  Obama promises change....you betcha...and I'm voting against it.  The man is not just liberal..he is a radical and I kinda like America with all its warts just the way it is...thank you. 
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While I would really love to address all the inaccuracies in your rant, time limits me to just the last few.

Obama has " ....... no record of success (other than his career)".  Which is saying that he is successful in his career, and his career is what we are voting on, so didn't you just contradict yourself?

I also guess you won't be voting for McCain either, since you like America just the way it is and he is also running on a platform of change. 

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 5:48:17 AM   
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Voters indeed want a change--but I don't think either Obama or McCain know what change the voters want.  The voters themselves may not know what change they want.




Very true.
There are other options. If Obama gives you a not so warm fuzzy feeling and McCain leaves a bad taste in your mouth you could check out Barr and Root on the Libertarian ticket.
http://www.lp.org/

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 6:00:45 AM   
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cory once again your opinions outweigh your facts....but, I have gotten to the point of expectation of such things.
To go from Viet Nam to Castro from Carter to Obama....quite the extrapalation....to speak as the historian of the Democratic Party and to give a synopsis of the European view of America...and in such short order...
Amazing!....

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 6:55:53 AM   
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        The problem with what you've got here, Cyber, is that it's a generic.   Congress as a whole might get insanely low approval  numbers, but within the specific, gerrymandered districts, voters tend to think their guy is ok.

        

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 8:07:38 AM   
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Voters indeed want a change--but I don't think either Obama or McCain know what change the voters want.  The voters themselves may not know what change they want.



There is only one change in the election and that is Obama. For America to have a black President and a President who has a complex view of the world rather than the usual simplistic view of guys black hats and guys in white hats, would be a change for America. Apart from the probable good it would do for America itself to reject the failed policies of the Republicans, it would stop world wide anti-Bushism becoming world wide anti-Americanism. McCain, is more of the same, Palin is more of the same in a dress, xenophobic, simplistic and deranged. The failure of Obama would be seen as a rejection of political maturity for the security of a xenophobic comfort zone that will prove not only bad for the world but bad for America too.

Sadly, Obama's black skin will probably see him fail.


Meat, a "complex view of the world?"
Any president had better have a complex view of the U.S.
That's the job.
In so far as they have to deal with foreign countries and leaders they should leave the Taxpayer's checkbook at home.
The People of the U.S. are going to be electing *our* president not a "world president."
And a lot of people in the U.S. would prefer that our government keep "foreign affairs" to a minimum.
I think that can be done without being labeled "xenophobic" which means "a fear of foreigners."
The problem with dealing with (most) foreign countries is that they always have their hands out looking for the Taxpayer's money.
This Taxpayer doesn't want to give them any!
As for Obama he'll lose.
And hopefully so will Pelosi.
The Democrats have had control of the house and senate now for two years and they've done absolutely nothing!
Pelosi won't even keep the house in session!
They ran on the platform of getting our Troops out of Iraq but they're still there!
They couldn't get that done in Two Years?
And as for Bush he'll be gone in Jan.
People will barely remember him by June.
Two DUDS in a row and they both went to "YALE!"

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 8:47:17 AM   
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popeye, if the US administration stopped telling the rest of the world how they should govern themselves and stop interfering in other people's countries and regions, perhaps people would heed you.

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 8:50:15 AM   
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popeye, if the US administration stopped telling the rest of the world how they should govern themselves and stop interfering in other people's countries and regions, perhaps people would heed you.

Damn shame for you the US administration doesn't do that.  The US administration just spends money on foreign aid--more than any other country, last I checked.


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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 8:55:05 AM   
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popeye, if the US administration stopped telling the rest of the world how they should govern themselves and stop interfering in other people's countries and regions, perhaps people would heed you.

Damn shame for you the US administration doesn't do that.  The US administration just spends money on foreign aid--more than any other country, last I checked.



Perhaps you should try a little foreign travel.

US foreign aid, like the aid of most countries is spent to benefit the donor country rather than the recipient.

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 8:59:33 AM   
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popeye, if the US administration stopped telling the rest of the world how they should govern themselves and stop interfering in other people's countries and regions, perhaps people would heed you.


Meat, I don't want to be "heeded", I'd like to be left alone.
And I agree with you on interfereing in foreign countries.
Fuck 'em! Leave them to their own devices.
Do you think I want to pay for aids in Africa?
The next time they go at it over there we should airdrop in machetes.
Do you think I want to continue giving Israel and Egypt $6 B per year?
Or any other countries any of my money?
George Washington had it right!
"We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements."
That quote should be on the desk of any president!
We have Nuclear Submarines, we don't have to "prove" anything to anyone anymore.

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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 9:02:37 AM   
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Perhaps you should try a little foreign travel.

US foreign aid, like the aid of most countries is spent to benefit the donor country rather than the recipient.

Ok, so you're saying the US should not dole out foreign aid, our sending aid to places like Africa is just a thinly disguised form of imperialism.  I guess you're then saying that this "not telling the world what to do" (yes I'm paraphrasing) means America needs to keep its dollars at home.

I can live with that. 


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RE: Poll: Republicans taking over Congress? - 9/10/2008 9:06:37 AM   
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Quickly, if you think foreign aid is a sign of altruism on the part of the countries that partake in it, you're extremely naive. They don't do it for nothing, and the retribution more than justifies the (tiny) investment.

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