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Making wimps and machos - 9/7/2008 3:02:12 AM

RealityLicks

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I wondered if anybody had any thoughts about the difficulty involved in making wimps? A wimp which is fit for purpose isn't going to just pop out of the ground at your feet ...unless, possibly if you live in Cleveland, where the experiment is taking place a mile underground.

UK scientists are aiming to solve the mystery of dark matter and to do it they need wimps and machos, or weakly interacting massive particles and massive astronomical halo objects. Apparently.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/sep/07/particlephysics.darkmatter

I gather that if you add the mass of all the objects we can see in the galaxy, it isn't suffcient to create the gravity holding it all together. So where, or what, is the missing mass - or "dark matter" ? Any better explanations out there?

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RE: Making wimps and machos - 9/7/2008 3:15:41 AM

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Yes...modern cosmology is wrong.
It is performing ever more complex gyrations to try to sustain the underlying error of its ways.

I dont mind too much except that its costing the taxpayer zillions in experiments that never conclude
anything other than we need more money for another experiment.

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RE: Making wimps and machos - 9/7/2008 5:02:51 AM

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Reading the article it seems it won't be as expensive as you think seeks, not zillions anyway. Although the particle accelerator in Europe is trying to discover similar things using a far more expensive approach I suppose. We have a saying "What a fool spends £1 million pounds to build an engineer can achieve with only £1, this is a good example of looking at a problem in a different way to find answers. It’s nothing new either I think they have a similar device in a volcano in Japan. The mines were already there so didn't take any extra funding to excavate, it seems, and the machine I'm told in the article is the size of a cupboard. The only real expense is the personnel and what would these people being doing instead? Solving global warming? Hardly because that's a different field altogether and a man on the street would have a better chance solving that

Also this project is a good example of Russian and US collaboration, who'd have thought that was possible in the current news climate? Personally I think these projects are important, no matter how much they cost because we should always be striving to discover more than past generations otherwise we are leaving questions and knowledge behind in the past and that is dangerous for our evolution. Current scientists should always be up with the knowledge gained in the past even if it means their whole life they will be conducting pointless experiments. These people are also the ones that will pass on their knowledge to the next generation without them we are moving backwards.

The theory may be wrong but if anyone has a better more credible theory they are always invited to put it forward and come under criticism for it. Not many people want their ideas to be looked at critically so they don’t come forward.

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RE: Making wimps and machos - 9/7/2008 5:56:55 AM

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quote:

I dont mind too much except that its costing the taxpayer zillions in experiments that never conclude
anything other than we need more money for another experiment

Seeks, there are many that can't seem to appreciate the necessity of Science for Science' sake. Taxpayers rightly want to know the purpose.

What the government needs, is a new selling pitch. For instance if you want the U.S to really get excited, start talking about the defense possibilities. Something like,
..."if we find the secret behind 'dark matter' the potential bomb-making technology is like nothing we've ever known...we could possibly obliterate entire countries that don't agree with us with one drop"...
dotted. line. signed.

It's all a matter of perspective.