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peppermint -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 4:59:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CountrySong

Has anyone ever loved someone enough to take on their STD and how did it work out?



I guess you could say that I've taken on his STD.  There isn't much we can do to make sure I don't get his HPV, although the doctors say that I am unlikely to get it.  If I have an outbreak, I'm willing to live with that.  Knowing and understanding an STD is very important.  After reading I know that at my age I most likely have been exposed to HPV already.  As others have said, you need to get proper medical advice.  Then, and only then can you decide if you are willing to take on the risk of having that particular STD. 




Aneirin -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 4:26:20 PM)

STD's are just nature letting us know that human interaction is not without risk, but then contracting an STD could be looked at a new way of giving oneself.

Due to a possible relationship, I got myself tested after a long term relationship with an ex drug user, I tested for the lot and came up negative in all respects, a weight off my mind, I am healthy as I can be. The tests, are worth it and I think it should be par for the course with every new partner, as you owe it to the new partner, not to compromise their health.




Gorgias -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 6:45:32 PM)

I guess it's not foolproof, but with protection it's far from guaranteed that you'll get it




Juliannadelion -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 6:55:51 PM)

That was extremely informative.  Thank you. [:)]

btw - nerds are HAWT [;)]




To please and be pleasing to Him, always in all ways. [:D]




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 6:57:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pompeii

<nerd warning>

Herpes isn't really a "skin" virus as much as it's a "nerve" virus; that's why the human immune system can't rid you of it completely.

Two interesting factors, not yet discussed here, regarding all herpes viruses, are that they are transmitted membrane-to-membrane & they hide not in your skin per se, but, in your peripheral nervous system. Read on if you're interested, otherwise </nerd warning>.

The herpes virus' membrane-to-membrane transmission mode means it's not all that easy to get except with close contact with a shedding individual. What physically happens is that the virus buds off from an infected cell with a bubble of the host cell's cell membrane surrounding it like a balloon carrying an ant up into the blue yonder. This virus-in-a-membrane vesicle then butts up against the victim's squamous epithelial cell membrane, the two membranes fuse, and the now-naked virus slips into the cytoplasm of the victim's squamous epithelial cell. Soon, the virus butts up against the nuclear membrane, which allows it into the nucleus, which the Dominant viral DNA promptly coerces into being a reproductive submissive. The submissive nucleus is promptly coerced into creating millions of duplicate viral particles (see note). Soon the nucleus explodes, and these million of viral particles take a swath of cell membrane with them like the balloons at a Macy's parade heading off back into the blue yonder to start the cycle anew.

For about ten days, the herpes virus has a grand time infecting the victim, during which time, all these exploding cells die, thereby causing the lesions that you can see with your naked eye. But, like a lone plane flying into the world trade center, the host doesn't take the insult lightly. A sleeping giant of a xylophobic immune system is suddenly awakened to the threat, keying off the foreign glycoproteins of the invading infidels, and it gears up immediately for battle, summoning the reserves into action.

Prior to the call to arms by the immune system, for the first day or two, the impetuous virus is having a field day with your cells, but, soon, the carriers and aircraft of the awakened mighty immune system are roaring off in droves, attacking directly the viral particles by the millions, in one-on-one hand-to-hand combat. Death and destruction, common to all war, is the result. Both sides suffer, the wasteful exudate filling lesions to capacity until they burst asunder. This rather complex and fierce battle rages on for the next 2 to10 days without abatement, until finally, the tide is turned inevitably in favor of the host. The battle front is broken, scattered about, and the invading soldiers are bayonetted and destroyed, one by one, by the millions as a river of death forms from their remains.

While it might take up to 21 days for new skin to form to cover the lesions, the battle is won within that ten-day period. It's not a fair fight, and the millions of invaders are nearly wiped out by your now furious immune system, which mops up all the valient stragglers until none of the infidels are detectable. Your immune system remains on high alert for a period of time, and the reserves are forever on guard to be reactivated should the invader sally forth in numbers yet again.

However a few broken and demoralized stragglers, cowed into submission, crawled away from the fierce battle, up the crack of cutaneous nerve endings, ascending slowly, hidden from view of the battle below, up within the peripheral sensory nerves, until they reached the sanctuary of the spinal or trigeminal ganglia. Now reasonably safe from the immune system, it is here where they cower, entering a latent state, offering no threat, until such time as they perceive a weakness in the host, to sally forth and do battle yet anew!

Should these impudent craven stragglers, perhaps years later, perceive a weakness in the host, they will sally forth with a common battle cry, only to be again wiped out by a reawakened national guard, always vigilent, never forgetful, after that first terrible insult. Never again will the hosts' immune system be as slow to respond as the first time it was exposed to this insult. The virus will lose, every time. Yet, inevitably, a few craven attackers will dastardly remain, cowering in the nervous tissue, reasonable safe from the antibodies of the immune system such that you can never destroy them completely.

I just realized I've been writing this for a half hour, so, I break free of the tyranny and leave you with this to ponder - no other animal on earth by we humans is infected with genital herpes, so, rest assured, you're flock is safe when you have that special need! :)

Pompeii

Note: Viruses are particles; herpes is basically DNA surrounded by glycoproteins; they're not living organisms; they don't respire; they can't replicate on their own; they have no metabolism, etc. they aren't living; they're basically just intelligent chemicals which can last forever, as long as they don't dessicate or are otherwise denatured.




Ih my Gawd! That was HAWT!!!!!


<fellow science nerd>

ps. I called it a skin condition because in the science books I teach from it falls under conditions of the Integumentary system.




GreedyTop -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 7:34:23 PM)

*stands in awe of Pomp's AWESOME post!*




MaamJay -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 8:06:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pompeii

The herpes virus' membrane-to-membrane transmission mode means it's not all that easy to get except with close contact with a shedding individual. What physically happens is that the virus buds off from an infected cell with a bubble of the host cell's cell membrane surrounding it like a balloon carrying an ant up into the blue yonder. This virus-in-a-membrane vesicle then butts up against the victim's squamous epithelial cell membrane, the two membranes fuse, and the now-naked virus slips into the cytoplasm of the victim's squamous epithelial cell. Soon, the virus butts up against the nuclear membrane, which allows it into the nucleus, which the Dominant viral DNA promptly coerces into being a reproductive submissive. The submissive nucleus is promptly coerced into creating millions of duplicate viral particles (see note). Soon the nucleus explodes, and these million of viral particles take a swath of cell membrane with them like the balloons at a Macy's parade heading off back into the blue yonder to start the cycle anew.

For about ten days, the herpes virus has a grand time infecting the victim, during which time, all these exploding cells die, thereby causing the lesions that you can see with your naked eye. But, like a lone plane flying into the world trade center, the host doesn't take the insult lightly. A sleeping giant of a xylophobic immune system is suddenly awakened to the threat, keying off the foreign glycoproteins of the invading infidels, and it gears up immediately for battle, summoning the reserves into action.

Prior to the call to arms by the immune system, for the first day or two, the impetuous virus is having a field day with your cells, but, soon, the carriers and aircraft of the awakened mighty immune system are roaring off in droves, attacking directly the viral particles by the millions, in one-on-one hand-to-hand combat. Death and destruction, common to all war, is the result. Both sides suffer, the wasteful exudate filling lesions to capacity until they burst asunder. This rather complex and fierce battle rages on for the next 2 to10 days without abatement, until finally, the tide is turned inevitably in favor of the host. The battle front is broken, scattered about, and the invading soldiers are bayonetted and destroyed, one by one, by the millions as a river of death forms from their remains.

While it might take up to 21 days for new skin to form to cover the lesions, the battle is won within that ten-day period. It's not a fair fight, and the millions of invaders are nearly wiped out by your now furious immune system, which mops up all the valient stragglers until none of the infidels are detectable. Your immune system remains on high alert for a period of time, and the reserves are forever on guard to be reactivated should the invader sally forth in numbers yet again.

However a few broken and demoralized stragglers, cowed into submission, crawled away from the fierce battle, up the crack of cutaneous nerve endings, ascending slowly, hidden from view of the battle below, up within the peripheral sensory nerves, until they reached the sanctuary of the spinal or trigeminal ganglia. Now reasonably safe from the immune system, it is here where they cower, entering a latent state, offering no threat, until such time as they perceive a weakness in the host, to sally forth and do battle yet anew!

Should these impudent craven stragglers, perhaps years later, perceive a weakness in the host, they will sally forth with a common battle cry, only to be again wiped out by a reawakened national guard, always vigilent, never forgetful, after that first terrible insult. Never again will the hosts' immune system be as slow to respond as the first time it was exposed to this insult. The virus will lose, every time. Yet, inevitably, a few craven attackers will dastardly remain, cowering in the nervous tissue, reasonable safe from the antibodies of the immune system such that you can never destroy them completely.

I just realized I've been writing this for a half hour, so, I break free of the tyranny and leave you with this to ponder - no other animal on earth by we humans is infected with genital herpes, so, rest assured, you're flock is safe when you have that special need! :)

Pompeii

Note: Viruses are particles; herpes is basically DNA surrounded by glycoproteins; they're not living organisms; they don't respire; they can't replicate on their own; they have no metabolism, etc. they aren't living; they're basically just intelligent chemicals which can last forever, as long as they don't dessicate or are otherwise denatured.



That was 101% AWESOME! As a former Human Biology teacher ... I take My hat off to you for that amazingly creative yet spot on scientific explanation. Fuckin brilliant!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




peppermint -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/5/2008 8:29:14 PM)

Wow, thanks for the information, pompeii.  Although I have researched HPV a lot, I knew little about Herpes.  You actually made the learning fun. 




L8bloomer -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/6/2008 2:09:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pompeii

... they aren't living; they're basically just intelligent chemicals which can last forever, as long as they don't dessicate or are otherwise denatured.



There are scientists who would argue that point. ;)




CountrySong -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (9/6/2008 10:55:18 AM)

Thank you all for the responses, both on and off the forum. Pompeii that was great and I hope it helps educate a lot of people.

Being a country "nerd." I actually have done a lot of research and talked to doctors. I would be having unprotected sex with an LTR partner as I want a family. So over time my risk is almost 100% on the herpies and unknown on the HPV. One thing that the doctors I talked to (2 of them) said is that the HPV does not usually go away. The warts go away but some of the virus remains and is rarely fully eradicated. The only way to entirely remove it is to surgically remove all tissue. 

I wish some of the people who sent me off forum posts about the issues they or others faced due to infection had posted on the forum. Most of the sever suffering I have heard about due to HSV and HPV is to the ladies not the men. For right now I will remain sexually inactive with her until I figure out if she is the life partner I want to spend forever with.

The answers actually were about 50/50 (I posted on other forums also). Some people took on the diseases and where very happy others said absolutely no way and told me there horror stories! The main factor seemed to be how they got the desease. Those who where not told upfront, where cheated on, or did not remain LTR with the partner who transmitted the disease where usually not happy. Those who remained with their partners seemed happy.

It definitely would affect my future partner options so for now I'll wait and see.
Peace




MsMags -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 5:53:27 PM)

it has been almost a year since the originator wrote this. how are things now, one wonders.
as to any STD: talk to the people who have them, educate yourself before you get any, make informed decisions in all things while there are still choices.




xiam -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 6:28:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: variation30
If he's asking this question, I'm imagining the lifestyle led will be one that will involve a high chance of infection.  It's a simple matter of risk/benefit.


Seeing that both of the viruses the OP inquired about are transmitted by skin contact rather than fluid contact, it's not so much a high risk lifestyle as it is just simply life.




Daddysredhead -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 6:32:09 PM)

Brilliant...  just brilliant.  [:)]




Danibelle -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 8:39:17 PM)

HPV is tricky.  It's easily found in women who go and get their yearly pap tests done.  There are an insane amount of strains of the virus.  Several are high risk.  The high risk ones can lead to warts or cervical cancer.  Everyone comes into contact with HPV at some point but it may never show up and you may come in contact with a strain your body can fight off easily.  When pap tests come back abnormal, it generally means HPV.  This happened to me last year.  They took a biopsy to determine the strain of HPV and decide if further action was necessary.  It was a high risk strain that COULD HAVE caused cervical cancer at some point in the future though my doctor says it takes many years for that to happen.  After I had another procedure done to get rid of the abnormal cells I asked my doctor what I could do to prevent the back and forth between me and the boyfriend.  The answer is pretty much nothing.  If he shows no symptoms, he can't be tested or treated.  It's annoying to know that I very well may have to go back for more stuff but it's not the biggest deal in the world.  Three check ups later and it's been clear everytime.




DemonKia -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 9:52:21 PM)

FR, after read thru

& even tho' this is a resurrected old thread, I'll still post this from the Centers for Disease Control:

The HPV test on the market is only used as part of cervical cancer screening. There is no general test for men or women to check one's overall 'HPV status.' HPV usually goes away on its own, without causing health problems. So an HPV infection that is found today will most likely not be there a year or two from now. For this reason, there is no need to be tested just to find out if you have HPV now.

&

Currently, there is no test designed or approved to find HPV in men.




DavanKael -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 10:22:10 PM)

Another resurrected thread...I swear were I more awake, there would be some flame-creating religious joke in that.  Anyway, the original poster queried the following: 

I have a friend who I might eventually grow close enough to partner with. The problem is that she has two STD's HPV (genital warts) and HSV (herpies). I'm STD free but if we do partner I know I will eventually catch them.
I know a few people who have gotten STD's from partners and they where not happy about it. I know one person who willingly took on an STD and he is happy and they have a great relationship.
Has anyone ever loved someone enough to take on their STD and how did it work out?

My reply: 
Personally, if I knew someone had genital herpes, that would be a deal-breaker.  If they have oral herpes, that may be a deal breaker, though not inherently so.  Despite what some people have posted, herpes is really rather easy to catch.  The millions of people who have it (And, many don't even know it necessarily because not everyone manifests symptoms) are a testament to that.  Blood tests can determine if you have hsv or not. 
As for hpv, a pap isn't difinitive.  Nor are the more specific dna-based tests.  Someone who shows as having it on via their pap may have a perfectly fine pap next time around, same is true of the dna testing.  There are over 100 strains of hpv.  About 10-ish can potentially cause cancer, a tiny bit more (If memory serves) can cause warts which, while more visibly bothersome and unfortunately often more long-standing, don't generally have the potential to cause cervical abnormalities that can cause cancer.  Oh, and guys, penile cancer is a possibility.  And, all, anal and oral/throat cancer can be caused by hpv too.  Thing is, though, stats place hpv infection at near 90%: that is, of  only about 10%everyone who is currently sexually active, has been sexually active, or will be sexually active hasn't had, doesn't have, and will not have hpv.  So, my rule of thumb: assume everyone's infected.  It'd be dandy to know what kind.  Ask about abnormal paps, ask about warts, etc.  As hpv is generally a transitory infection (Symptoms generally last 2 years or less, though, again, the kinds that cause warts are more apt to hang around longer), I want to know the answer to questions about symptoms, partners, etc. in terms of making a decision. 
These are both highly contaigious viral illnesses.  Neither is likely to kill you but either can be self-esteem damaging, inconvenient, painful, disfiguring, etc. 
Having taken more than a lifetime's share of dumb risk in one act long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away and luckily not gotten dead over it (Yaaaaa for me not being dead!  :> ), no, I wouldn't knowingly infect myself with something but, again, hpv is presumed, I would mitigate decision-making there with information about symptomatology, so it being an issue at some point isn't inherently an issue for me with a partner, I want to know what I am dealing with, though, so I can make an informed decision.  And, blood tests are our friends as far as illnesses go whenever possible.  It's my new intent to show a potential partner my blood test results as well as having conversations about partners, risks, yadda, yadda, yadda and to ask for their blood test results as well.  I'm generally very proactive about such things but I find I grow more paranoid. 
  Davan




antipode -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 10:54:43 PM)

quote:

The problem is that she has two STD's HPV (genital warts) and HSV (herpies)


No offense, but I would worry about someone with genital warts and herpes. Are you sure that's all she has? Is she? Is this person perhaps more high risk than you know? Do you have enough information on her past, past partners, and background?




sweetsub1957 -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/21/2009 11:05:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CountrySong

I have a friend who I might eventually grow close enough to partner with. The problem is that she has two STD's HPV (genital warts) and HSV (herpies). I'm STD free but if we do partner I know I will eventually catch them.

I know a few people who have gotten STD's from partners and they where not happy about it. I know one person who willingly took on an STD and he is happy and they have a great relationship.

Has anyone ever loved someone enough to take on their STD and how did it work out?



I know that HPV can clear itself up eventually.  This is NOT something I blab all over, but I got HPV when I was raped in my early 20s, by the time I was in my late 20s it was gone & it's never come back.  I'm 51 now and a recent test still came out clean.  I do know it doesn't always last forever.




littlewonder -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/22/2009 3:41:45 AM)

Sorry, dealbreaker for me.

I'm the type that does her best to stay as healthy as possible. I'm even one to stay away from someone if they even have a really bad cold until they at least feel better.

I hate feeling ill and do all I can to avoid it.




sirsholly -> RE: Getting a VD/STD to be with a partner? (7/22/2009 4:04:23 AM)

quote:

I know a few people who have gotten STD's from partners and they where not happy about it. I know one person who willingly took on an STD and he is happy and they have a great relationship.

Has anyone ever loved someone enough to take on their STD and how did it work out?


i have never known anyone who has willingly taken an STD. For what purpose? To make sex easier?

When i have a simple cold i try never to sleep face to face with Jim. Would i just cough/hack/wheeze and play tonsil hockey to infect him, as that simplifies things? Oh hell no. Why would i want him sick? (Ladies...we KNOW what men with "life-threatening" colds*KoffSniffle* can be like). Colds are gone in a very looong week. STD's can be gifts that keep on giving. What about future partners?




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