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meatcleaver -> Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 1:40:17 AM)
OH Palin just gets funnier and funnier[sm=rofl.gif] Maybe she is smart and she's really a member of the Alaskan fifth column. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/03/uselections2008.republicans20082 The revelation that Palin was a member of the secessionist Alaskan Independence party motto - "Alaska First" - sits awkwardly with McCain's campaign slogan, "Country First" and will be controversial in a country whose oath of allegiance includes the phrase "one nation, indivisible".

celticlord2112 -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 5:40:08 AM)
quote: OH Palin just gets funnier and funnier What is significantly unfunny is the willingness of mainstream media (CBS News, MSNBC, NY Times) to report a demonstrably false and easily debunked rumor. http://www.ajc.com/services/content/news/stories/2008/09/02/palin_husband.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=15 quote: Voter registration records show Sarah Palin registered in May 1982 as a member of the Republican Party and has not changed her affiliation. Todd Palin has been registered undeclared since 2002, Fenumiai said.

kittinSol -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 5:47:54 AM)
From the Guardian article: "Palin campaigned for $27m in federal money when mayor of a 9,000-population town. It is a kind of funding McCain disapproves of." What's with this $27,000,000 [:-] ?

chiaThePet -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 5:59:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol What's with this $27,000,000 [:-] ? Apparently she'll be using it to get her hair done and buy a nice new outfit to wear to the RNC where she'll be speaking and accepting the nomination for Vice President despite all the hype and hoopla spinning in the air. chia* (the pet)

Thadius -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 11:13:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol From the Guardian article: "Palin campaigned for $27m in federal money when mayor of a 9,000-population town. It is a kind of funding McCain disapproves of." What's with this $27,000,000 [:-] ? Uhm... that was for rail transit between her town and another.... you know one of those mass transit type of things that everybody is always saying we should move towards... How dare she!

meatcleaver -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 11:27:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol From the Guardian article: "Palin campaigned for $27m in federal money when mayor of a 9,000-population town. It is a kind of funding McCain disapproves of." What's with this $27,000,000 [:-] ? Uhm... that was for rail transit between her town and another.... you know one of those mass transit type of things that everybody is always saying we should move towards... How dare she! Yeah, but you have to be realistic, how is a town of 9,000 going to fund a rail connection that goes pretty much from nowhere to nowhere. The entire population of Alaska is only 660,000 and because of geography couldn't realistically run never mind afford a rail network. Hell, Anchorage hasn't the population to justify big spending on rail and the ongoing funding of it. A train with two people on board is ecologically as well as economically unsound.

Thadius -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 11:39:01 AM)
I could point to towns in rural Illinois that have smaller populations, yet they have gotten the same or more funding for the same purpose.

jaylia -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 11:48:07 AM)
quote: "Palin campaigned for $27m in federal money when mayor of a 9,000-population town. It is a kind of funding McCain disapproves of." Does the fact that we are a sparsely populated state mean we are not entitled to the same good transportation and public sevices other states recieve? Because if that is the case then why shouldn't we secede? I'm not saying I agree with secession or this particular earmark, but I can tell you that most of the communities in this state have populations of fewer then 10,000 people. There are many communities here that still require some form of transportation another then car to get to and from, but yet we still have to work, educate our kids, get from one place to another and do all those things people in more populated states do. Things are differant up here, and until you have spent time living here and really getting to understand the difference I don't think you have to right to speak about what is or isn't needed here.. At this point I honestly don't know who I will vote for as neither Obama or McCain impress me much, but I know I get sick of people who have never been here much less lived here telling us what we do or do not need.

meatcleaver -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 11:54:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius I could point to towns in rural Illinois that have smaller populations, yet they have gotten the same or more funding for the same purpose. The geography in Illionois is a little different to the geography in Alaska and I assume that would make a huge difference in the costs of laying a line. I would imagine in rural Illinois, agricultural goods also have to be transported. I believe in public tansport but public transport where there is no significant population to use it is economically wasteful.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 12:05:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jaylia quote: "Palin campaigned for $27m in federal money when mayor of a 9,000-population town. It is a kind of funding McCain disapproves of." Does the fact that we are a sparsely populated state mean we are not entitled to the same good transportation and public sevices other states recieve? Because if that is the case then why shouldn't we secede? I'm not saying I agree with secession or this particular earmark, but I can tell you that most of the communities in this state have populations of fewer then 10,000 people. There are many communities here that still require some form of transportation another then car to get to and from, but yet we still have to work, educate our kids, get from one place to another and do all those things people in more populated states do. Things are differant up here, and until you have spent time living here and really getting to understand the difference I don't think you have to right to speak about what is or isn't needed here.. At this point I honestly don't know who I will vote for as neither Obama or McCain impress me much, but I know I get sick of people who have never been here much less lived here telling us what we do or do not need. I think a regional bus service would be much more suitable than rail. Minibuses for the towns, and larger express buses from Palmer, Wasilla, Girdwood maybe, going into Anchorage.

Thadius -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 12:36:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius I could point to towns in rural Illinois that have smaller populations, yet they have gotten the same or more funding for the same purpose. The geography in Illionois is a little different to the geography in Alaska and I assume that would make a huge difference in the costs of laying a line. I would imagine in rural Illinois, agricultural goods also have to be transported. I believe in public tansport but public transport where there is no significant population to use it is economically wasteful. You don't think that the fish, shrimp, lobster, or other products need to be transport in Alaska? Or that a rail stop in this town would be economical? Good to see you making such decisions from abroad. What did Obama and Ayers do with the $49 million they were supposed to change the school systems in Chicago with? Don't worry, we don't know either. [8\|]

philosophy -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 12:38:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster [ I think a regional bus service would be much more suitable than rail. Minibuses for the towns, and larger express buses from Palmer, Wasilla, Girdwood maybe, going into Anchorage. ..i have to disagree. It's about building infrastructure. A rail line can also be used to lay other cables, fibre optic etc.... it can also carry freight. Alaska, like the north of BC where i am needs good infrastructure in order to operate. While i have enormous doubts regarding other issues surrounding Governor Palin, on this issue i think she was right.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 1:37:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster [ I think a regional bus service would be much more suitable than rail. Minibuses for the towns, and larger express buses from Palmer, Wasilla, Girdwood maybe, going into Anchorage. ..i have to disagree. It's about building infrastructure. A rail line can also be used to lay other cables, fibre optic etc.... it can also carry freight. Alaska, like the north of BC where i am needs good infrastructure in order to operate. While i have enormous doubts regarding other issues surrounding Governor Palin, on this issue i think she was right. Broadband is available via satellite these days, so laying cable isn't necessary. There isn't nearly enough freight going up to the Mat-Su valley to justify rail, and Fairbanks is already served by rail. I envy you living in BC. I'd be there in a heartbeat if I could get citizenship.

Thadius -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 1:39:50 PM)
Eek, I forgot crab....

cyberdude611 -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 1:56:00 PM)
Again....liberal media ran with a story that was false... The smear doesn't end.... The New York Times has now backtracked on the claim that Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party. Her husband, Todd, was a member in the past. But not anymore and Sarah never was. The information in the Times article was based on a statement issued Monday night by Lynette Clark, the party’s chairwoman, who said that Ms. Palin joined the party in 1994 and in 1996 changed her registration to Republican. On Tuesday night, Ms. Clark said that her initial statement was incorrect and had been based on erroneous information provided by another member of the party whom she declined to identify. The McCain campaign also disputed the Times report, saying that Ms. Palin had been registered consistently as a Republican. After checking the party’s archives, Ms. Clark said that she could find no documentation that Governor Palin had been a member of the party. She said Ms. Palin attended the party’s 1994 and 2006 conventions and provided a video-taped address as governor to the 2008 convention. Ms. Clark said that Ms. Palin’s husband, Todd, was a former member of the party. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/alaska-party-official-says-palin-was-not-a-member/

Thadius -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 2:00:36 PM)
So I guess we can expect to not see a retraction on the front page, like the original article was? However, they could always surprise me.

angelikaJ -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 2:06:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol From the Guardian article: "Palin campaigned for $27m in federal money when mayor of a 9,000-population town. It is a kind of funding McCain disapproves of." What's with this $27,000,000 [:-] ? http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story "...This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column. ... Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.) ..."

Vendaval -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 2:22:49 PM)
Well no, I have yet to see a retraction on the front page or cover of any publication. That is usually in the table of contents or in the editorial section. The seafood from Alaska is shipped both by air and by sea http://www.coastalcoldstoragealaska.com/index.html http://www.alaskajobfinder.com/

philosophy -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 2:50:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Eek, I forgot crab.... ...how could you.....[:D]

Thadius -> RE: Independent Alaska (9/3/2008 2:53:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Eek, I forgot crab.... ...how could you.....[:D] I think the biggest reason is that I have chosen to no longer eat it at those all you can eat places... I wind up becoming tired and exhausted from the cracking the bastards, before I become full.

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