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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

You cannot forget what you were and erasing memories is such a heartless thing to do if they were good at the time.  Even the bad memories are lessons that we learn from.  I do not understand anyone who negates learning.
 
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ORIGINAL: leakylee

CFB

i can understand the space part with no problem. shoot my house is maxed out now. but in my person opinion your past is part of who you are. not to mention heirlooms and such as that are things that you want to pass on down line. seems a bit one sided to me. and there really is no way to wipe a person completely clean, or at least do it, and them stay healthy.

lee

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

You cannot forget what you were and erasing memories is such a heartless thing to do if they were good at the time.  Even the bad memories are lessons that we learn from.  I do not understand anyone who negates learning.
 
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ORIGINAL: leakylee

Calla,

here again i see your point. i myself still have those yearbooks and such from highschool. the amusing thing the nieces and nephew have enjoyed seeing us at thier ages. but that aside, some it is just stuff that could be done without that has been carried around for the sentimental reasons of childrood. collections of dolls and other things, while the have some value, mostly hang out for sentimental reasons. the family hierlooms i have some of them go back 3 generations or better. to me that is huge connecting with those roots connects me to my past.

so while not a packrat i think objects hold different value to different people. yes we can survive without them, but in ways life might be a tad bit dimmer.

lee

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

Calla,

here again i see your point. i myself still have those yearbooks and such from highschool. the amusing thing the nieces and nephew have enjoyed seeing us at thier ages. but that aside, some it is just stuff that could be done without that has been carried around for the sentimental reasons of childrood. collections of dolls and other things, while the have some value, mostly hang out for sentimental reasons. the family hierlooms i have some of them go back 3 generations or better. to me that is huge connecting with those roots connects me to my past.

so while not a packrat i think objects hold different value to different people. yes we can survive without them, but in ways life might be a tad bit dimmer.

lee

*nodding* I can understand that. I think that, for myself, my years of spiritual training brought about a state where I found myself able to retain the peak experiences and share those experiences without being tied to -things-. I think, for me, it gave me a sense of freedom, and a sense of stability in my own 'being' and in the beings of those with whom I have shared energy over the years, without that sense of loss should I suddenly find myself having been parted from some physical reminder of that person's relationship to me. The presence of those I have cared deeply for in my life, and the experiences shared, lose nothing when physical reminders are set aside, which, I think, enables me to be unencumbered and opens many options to me.

While I would not require someone to part with some dearly held belonging, I think that it is my nature to challenge whether it is the experience, which is indelible and colors our actions and responses whether or not we hold on to the specific memory; the memory, which is only partially indelible and may fade over time--and, if, as in the case of Alzheimers, that memory does fade, appears through research to also strip away most or all of the connections to the -things/belongings- of that memory as well, rendering those things meaningless; or the thing/belonging itself -- transient and fragile, and subject to loss that might, indeed, compound any losses already associated with it, that has become important to a person.

CFB

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

ahh, that is incredible. so you are able to be free of the need of the 'physical' reminder, the physical identifer, and instead tap your actual cellular memories. or is it more of a memory recall, or energy recall?

i hope you dont mind my asking. i have a very natural apptitude for reiki and energy work. massage therapy opened the door to it. so i  am finally starting to delve back into the areas again.

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ORIGINAL: MysticsLily

Good morning,
 
I have to say that my opinion based on the OP may be a bit . . . different.  When I am speaking to a slave that has accepted a place in my household, one of the first things I do is remind them that stuff is just stuff.  That they may bring what they wish, most of it will end up in storage.  I always want it understood that I am interested in the person and not the things they can bring with them.  However, I believe that life, the entire journey of it, is about the lessons we learn along the paths we take.  While, stuff is not part of our lessons, our lessons are emotional and spiritual, that stuff sometimes represents who we are and the lessons we have learned (and are learning).  I learn much about my slaves by the things they bring with them, the things they hold dear.  Going through their things - learning what is just pack rat stuff versus what is sentimental or memory based, helps me understand a depth of soul that only adds to my understanding of who they are.  On a slightly shallow note, my home is slowly evolving to display the dark, Victorian Gothic of my own soul.  Dark colors, heavy wood (floors and paneling ) and Victorian clothing and furniture is slowly making its way into my home and my new home at the start of next year will be strictly in a Goth Victorian style - so no, my (hypothetical) slave's purple couch and bright red bean bag chair just isn't going to work. 
 
Off topic, the mention of the whole current hating the ex's photos - Mystic and I actually kept all her wife's photos - her ex wife was HOT and I mean in an I fantasize about doing really nasty things to her in my dungeon hot - so we kept the pornos they'd made and the hot photos - hell I photo shopped one of her onto my desktop - stuck her digitally on a rack!  LOL Ok ok - so I'm creepy.  But I can't help it - I'm a biological goth! LOL 
 
Windchymes:  I'm sorry about your ex's inability to let go.  I understand.  My first slave who I loved very dearly died very suddenly in 1996.  To this day I still have a small ritual I use to mark the anniversary of his death, to let him know that I still love him and that I miss him.  I am very lucky, Mystic actually participates in the ritual with me.  I only take out the one photo that I have kept of my eddie on that day.  We also set his photo by his plate on Samhain, when we sup with our relatives at midnight dinner.  (Cliff note definition - A pagan Halloween celebration in which you set a few symbolic places for the dead at your dinner table when the veil is thin so your deseased relatives can come and bless your home)  But unlike your ex, I believe that death is not an ending but a new beginning - and part of that learning path that we all must take. 
 
Shrines would be creepy though - and totally unfair to those still living.  However, memory by nature of human kind is flawed.  (Except for those with practiced mental self control - I'm trying very hard to learn to be that way) We have a bad habit as humans to exalt those taken from us too soon - to remember only the good things.  And we have a bad habit of only remembering the bad things about our pasts that hurt us.  If my slaves bring with them things that I believe they are keeping in order to reinforce bad memories, ones that are harmful and preventing them from moving forward, then it is my responsibility to have them ritually release those things.  

I hope this reply wasn't too long
peace and light
Miss Lily