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RE: Armageddon? - 8/25/2008 9:07:22 PM   
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If it helps......12/21/2012  will be the "last" day.............So say the ancient Mayans........
No they don't. Terence McKenna said that, and he's dead. 

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/25/2008 9:34:34 PM   
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Here's the reality for me: i believe i'm inherently a good person, i don't commit crimes, i don't deliberately harm people, i feel guilt and remorse, and have tried to leave this world a little better off than it was when i entered it.  However that does nothing to dissuade my fear of  the 'end of times'.  Does anyone else struggle with these issues or am i going insane all alone?
kali


My daily challenge is to be better than I was the day before. Death or Passing On is a garuntee in this world. I except this without fear. After all, there's not a damn thing I can do about it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxAGGyrvJ9c&feature=related

Nature, God, whatever never intended for us to be immortal. Who would want to live forever anyways? Take it from the Greatest Wizard of them all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTlwkg25rsE&feature=related

That's why I say live today like there's no tommorow. Tommorow is not a garuntee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gxazQdKyz4 

So get out there and live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJXI3SN1G04

My personal favoriate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIUojvT5yTo




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RE: Armageddon? - 8/25/2008 9:54:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is only one reason why I no longer belong to any religion.
All religions should be outlawed!
They use fear to control people.
And they all havbe a fable of some sort about how the world will end!
BUT,... you ask them "when" and they can never answer you! lol
Sometimes on sunday nights I'll watch that nut "Jack van Impe."
He quotes scripture after scripture and says, "see, it's  comming!"
People like him pretend to "know" but Jack don't know Jack!
But,... he's been doing that for 40 years now!
Bill Maher has a new movie/documentary comming out called "Religiosity" or something close to that.
I don't think you really need to be worried!
It's all a scam anyway.
Keep that money comming in!

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/25/2008 10:24:14 PM   
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RE: Armageddon? - 8/25/2008 11:18:01 PM   
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...that does nothing to dissuade my fear of the 'end of times'. Does anyone else struggle with these issues or am i going insane all alone? ...


I used to get all bothered and worked up about the "end of times." That was back when I was indoctrinated by the dogma of a single Christian denomination. Since then, I have opened my mind to how other denominations and religions view the end times.

Knowing that there are different points of view regarding the end of days from among many of the denominations means, to me, there does not appear to be a real consensus as to how they will come. That tells me that no one really knows what is going to happen. So, if the so-called experts haven't any ideas, I'm not going to stress out over it.

Do I struggle with the concept of the "end of times?" I used to, but not any more. Whatever happens, happens. Chances are I will not be living long enough to see it happen, but I've got my eye on a shiny wide-screen HD camera to record it all just in case it does. ;-)

Are you going insane all alone? I don't think so; neither going insane nor alone with your question. I know there are many, many people who share your thoughts and concerns. If you're looking for some religious guidance, I would suggest you take the advice of many of the previous posters and find a religious practitioner that you're comfortable with who will help to bring you a sense of peace about the whole Armageddon thing.

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/25/2008 11:34:12 PM   
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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 12:46:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever happens humanity and Earth will continue to exist. Even if Creation has to start anew.
 
Physical heaven has been inaccessible for the past couple of centuries. (Besides, there is a limit to the number of people that can be given access - a matter of logistics - so overpopulation is a guarantee that most people will not.)
 
That leaves us with theological and spiritual afterlife. Theologically we may extrapolate from the physical to the spiritual.
 
The God of the Dead does take care of those who die, whether man, animal or vegetation - at least of the good people and possibly also of most of the bad people.
 
Believe in happiness and a long and prosperous life and be save.

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 6:43:49 AM   
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Sometimes on sunday nights I'll watch that nut "Jack van Impe."
He quotes scripture after scripture and says, "see, it's  comming!"



Jack Van Impe and his strange, doll like wife are fantastic to watch. There used to be an old fella on public acess when I loved in florida who had a desk sat in front of an American flag and he would spout things that made Jack look tame.

Fantastic for a nights entertainment.

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 7:23:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Consider George Carlin's point of view on religion and god. And, don't worry too much, kali. I agree with Mr Level that, if there is a "supreme being", he/she/it must be kind and loving and posess a great, if twisted, sense of humor. After all, he/she/it created the human race, no ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 7:42:09 AM   
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i don't get why some are so up in arms about people having a belief in something...they have a right to believe in something as much as others have a right to not believe.  shrugs, i guess some "kinks" (if you happen to have faith in anything),  are not okay to some.




I wonder about this too. Why does anyone care what I believe? It does not effect them at all. My favorites are the ones who tell me I shouldn't mention my religion because that is shoving it in their face, yet they will type paragraphs and paragraphs about why I shouldn't believe the way I do and listen to them instead.

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 8:06:03 AM   
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Sometimes on sunday nights I'll watch that nut "Jack van Impe."
He quotes scripture after scripture and says, "see, it's  comming!"



Jack Van Impe and his strange, doll like wife are fantastic to watch. There used to be an old fella on public acess when I loved in florida who had a desk sat in front of an American flag and he would spout things that made Jack look tame.

Fantastic for a nights entertainment.

~PA



LOL, yeah that's it, it IS entertaining!
"It says in Luke 14 sect 67, Mark 8, Howard 3, Vito 12 and Corinthians 42 that............"
"See! It's comming!"
Oh yeah, his wife is a trip!
"This is what SIN can do to your hair!"
LOL, they all have "Big Hair" don't they?
And *NO* you bastards can't have my Cadillac when I get raptured!!!

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 8:12:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		popeye1250, don't forget that science also tells us that it's the end of the world.

Through science alone we have the fear of Global Warming and or the next ICE AGE. Not to mention, science has us in fear of Meteors, Astroids, Comets, and changes in our universe. According to science, the Earths core will stop rotating in 200 million years. If that's not enough to end the world, our Sun has 4.5 billion years left before it changes and destroys the earth.

It seems that just about everything science, religion, history, otherwise tells us that nothing is suppose to last forever without ending or passing on to become something different. 

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 8:25:56 AM   
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popeye1250, don't forget that science also tells us that it's the end of the world.

Through science alone we have the fear of Global Warming and or the next ICE AGE. Not to mention, science has us in fear of Meteors, Astroids, Comets, and changes in our universe. According to science, the Earths core will stop rotating in 200 million years. If that's not enough to end the world, our Sun has 4.5 billion years left before it changes and destroys the earth.

It seems that just about everything science, religion, history, otherwise tells us that nothing is suppose to last forever without ending or passing on to become something different. 


Yup, as CL would say, ..."That's the order of things!"

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 10:06:47 AM   
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Take a deep breath.. and repeat after me..all things come to an end, even planets and Suns, probably not gonna happen in my life time however. All species eventually go extinct, by disease, natural disaster, hunting or in the case of humans our own machinations. Not likely to happen in our life time, we are too prolific.

One of the themes of all disaster movies, and Armageddon movies is ...Survivors and Survival. Nothing filmed save for the one show Aftermath: Life After People: 5 Years to 30 Years even speculates on what would happen if all people were gone. Most of the disaster films are unfounded in Science fact and while things like Day after Tomorrow are spectacular they are far less likely to happen than we are to find a pelican landing a 747 for United. I on the other hand love to watch them and catch the wild fantasies of those who forgot to attend their biology, chemistry, physics and computer classes in high school and college. The closest speculative disaster films you may find are based on Robin Cooks  and Crichtons books, they at least have some science fact to bounce off of.  Try reading Next by Crichton.

We are however a species that likes to scare itself, to speculate on it's own mortality and to condemn everyone else's actions as the cause for any potential disaster.  Those who seek power, promise to "save " us from things that scare us from financial disasters to terrorists. A Chicken in every Pot, We will hunt them down where they hide, I will demand more fuel efficient cars if you elect me..I will ban smoking.. Name it and they will promise it..they play on our fears and magnify them.

Eventually this planet will come to an end, whether biblical or scientific remains to be seen...until then..enjoy life and take movies like that as what they are, entertainment written by peoiple who found a phrase that thrilled them a little and built a story around it to scare people in  the night. There's real things out there that are scarier...

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 3:52:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		FangsNFeet, it just kinda makes you want to launch into that Disney "Circle of Life" song, doesn't it?

In all probability, we'll be the ones to end our (mankind's) existence on Earth. We're too greedy, stupid, and violent. All evidence points to climate change taking place far faster and more dramatically than first estimates. Once that ball gets rolling, famine will be next, dieseases following, and (more) warfare over resources will take place.

Nasty times are ahead, I'm sorry to say... but I don't think God, or the devil, will need to lift a finger. We'll do it to ourselves.

This is why I bought a house outside of town, with it's own well, and a garden with fruit trees. I've been slowly stocking up on canned supplies and long duration rations. I've even bought a few guns, and learned how to use them. (As Heinlien said in one of his essays, "If you look at any geographical region, and you will very rarely see a period of longer than 75 years where some kind of disaster, natural or manmade, has taken place that made life difficult for months at a time.") Maybe this stuff will happen, maybe it won't... but as my Dad used to say "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst."


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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 4:21:06 PM   
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i don't get why some are so up in arms about people having a belief in something...they have a right to believe in something as much as others have a right to not believe.  shrugs, i guess some "kinks" (if you happen to have faith in anything),  are not okay to some.




I wonder about this too. Why does anyone care what I believe? It does not effect them at all. My favorites are the ones who tell me I shouldn't mention my religion because that is shoving it in their face, yet they will type paragraphs and paragraphs about why I shouldn't believe the way I do and listen to them instead.


Do you have any evidence of that in this thread, or are you making up untrue complaints just to hijack a useful discussion?

And I'll ask you the same question that C1 couldn't answer, where in your beliefs does it teach that it is OK to resort to such tactics?

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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 6:07:05 PM   
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Yo, Greeds, I just realized, watching that vid , that you bear a resemblance to Mick...his feminine side, anyway. Yum.

Stones rule !

Sorry to go off topic a bit, and I agree with Alumbrado that this is an interesting discussion. I don't think anyone has tried to "push" a particular point of view here. Opinions vary, of course. Tolerance uber alles.


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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 6:12:23 PM   
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i don't get why some are so up in arms about people having a belief in something...they have a right to believe in something as much as others have a right to not believe.  shrugs, i guess some "kinks" (if you happen to have faith in anything),  are not okay to some.




I wonder about this too. Why does anyone care what I believe? It does not effect them at all. My favorites are the ones who tell me I shouldn't mention my religion because that is shoving it in their face, yet they will type paragraphs and paragraphs about why I shouldn't believe the way I do and listen to them instead.


Do you have any evidence of that in this thread, or are you making up untrue complaints just to hijack a useful discussion?
Did I say it happened in this thread. I was responding to another poster. If you have a problem with it, feel free to put me on ignore. I won't mind..really.


And I'll ask you the same question that C1 couldn't answer, where in your beliefs does it teach that it is OK to resort to such tactics?

What tactics are you refering to?


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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 6:16:18 PM   
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i don't get why some are so up in arms about people having a belief in something...they have a right to believe in something as much as others have a right to not believe.  shrugs, i guess some "kinks" (if you happen to have faith in anything),  are not okay to some.




I wonder about this too. Why does anyone care what I believe? It does not effect them at all. My favorites are the ones who tell me I shouldn't mention my religion because that is shoving it in their face, yet they will type paragraphs and paragraphs about why I shouldn't believe the way I do and listen to them instead.


Do you have any evidence of that in this thread, or are you making up untrue complaints just to hijack a useful discussion?
Did I say it happened in this thread. I was responding to another poster. If you have a problem with it, feel free to put me on ignore. I won't mind..really.


And I'll ask you the same question that C1 couldn't answer, where in your beliefs does it teach that it is OK to resort to such tactics?

What tactics are you refering to? Scaring people? Did I say it was ok to scare people.....didn't think so.



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RE: Armageddon? - 8/26/2008 6:18:29 PM   
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Do you have any evidence of that in this thread, or are you making up untrue complaints just to hijack a useful discussion?
Did I say it happened in this thread. I was responding to another poster. If you have a problem with it, feel free to put me on ignore. I won't mind..really.


And I'll ask you the same question that C1 couldn't answer, where in your beliefs does it teach that it is OK to resort to such tactics?

What tactics are you refering to? Scaring people? Did I say it was ok to scare people.....didn't think so.



Playing the 'scary'card so soon? 

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