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McCain wasn't tortured. - 8/19/2008 6:33:56 PM   
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In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?
According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured.

Cheney denies that McCain was tortured; as does Bush. So do John Yoo and David Addington and George Tenet. In the one indisputably authentic version of the story of a Vietnamese guard showing compassion, McCain talks of the agony of long-time standing. A quarter century later, Don Rumsfeld was putting his signature to memos lengthening the agony of "long-time standing" that victims of Bush's torture regime would have to endure. These torture techniques are, according to the president of the United States, merely "enhanced interrogation."
No war crimes were committed against McCain. And the techniques used are, according to the president, tools to extract accurate information. And so the false confessions that McCain was forced to make were, according to the logic of the Bush administration, as accurate as the "intelligence" we have procured from "interrogating" terror suspects. Feel safer?
The cross-in-the-dirt story - although deeply fishy to any fair observer - is in the realm of the unprovable. But the actual techniques used on McCain, and the lies they were designed to legitimize, are a matter of historical record. And the government of the United States now practices the very same techniques that the Communist government of North Vietnam once proudly used against American soldiers. When they are used against future John McCains, the victims will know, in a way McCain didn't, that their own government has no moral standing to complain.
Now the kicker:
 in the Military Commissions Act, McCain acquiescedto the use of these techniques against terror suspects by the CIA. Andso the tortured became the enabler of torture. Someone somewhere criedout in pain for the same reasons McCain once did. And McCain let itcontinue.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html

I personally know that McCain was tortured.  I also know that what Bush did (and what McCain endorsed) was also torture.  They are the same thing. 




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RE: McCain wasn't tortured. - 8/19/2008 6:40:43 PM   
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        You need to fix the formatting, New.  It's unreadable.  But then, going by the thread title, that might not be a bad thing.

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RE: McCain wasn't tortured. - 8/19/2008 6:49:26 PM   
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Fuck Bush!
I believe in torture.
Break out the blowtorches and baseball bats!
And after we get the info out of them take them out for a helocopter ride like they did in Vietnam.
General "Black Jack" Pershing had it right!

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RE: McCain wasn't tortured. - 8/19/2008 9:02:00 PM   
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eed to fix the formatting, New. It's unreadable. But then, going by the thread title, that might not be a bad thing.
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

       You need to fix the formatting, New.  It's unreadable.  But then, going by the thread title, that might not be a bad thing.

I am sorry, but I'm not a gigantic computer nerd. I don't know how to re-format.  But you can read the original at the link I attached.


I know that McCain was tortured.  It's silly to suggest he wasn't.  The article (from a right-winger) suggests something quite different.

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