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pup75 -> Getting Started with Rope (8/18/2008 9:01:40 AM)

I wanted to toss out some questions about rope bondage to see what recommendations others have about it.

Zumala and I are just getting started, as several read in the thread she posted a few days ago. And, as I posted, one of our interests is rope.

After read what Wiseman's "Erotic Bondage Handbook" had to say, I'm leaning toward starting with accessory cord (a type of rope used by climbers) between 6 and 13 millimeters in diameter. Does anyone have any thoughts on this kind of rope? Is there something better? We're looking for rope that is soft, washable, not too thick, and holds a knot with reasonable security. We are not interested in scratchy materials at this time. We're also not planning on suspension bondage or anything terribly complex, yet.

Another question I have is about quick release set-ups. I'll be reading more about this but always enjoy advice on anything that might not be mentioned.

Of course, we're going to start attending some local rope meetings, as well.

Thanks to all who reply!

pup75



housesub4you -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/18/2008 10:07:09 AM)

I would take a class at a fetish fair or ask someone with experience to assist.   There is a lot that can go wrong.   Also start out slow, perhaps just binding the wrists and then the arms, they move to binding behind the body.  You need to learn the person limits and how they react and signs they are not doing well.

My Domme is very into rope, for non-suspension rope she uses nylon and a few others that have no give what so ever, but I can't recall their names. .  You can wash nylon rope and over time it will begin to soften. 

As for a quick release, there are no knots, but keep a heavy medical scissors within reach.  Also talk alot to the person, checking their fingers, toes for color and ask about any tingling in any limbs.   

I just started a couple of weeks ago, and I love rope now. But my Domme started very slowly, showing and explaining every thing as we went.  Now She can do as She pleases with rope and I'm all for it.



azropedntied -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/18/2008 10:45:30 AM)

step one  get ropes , all different kinds of lengths  and types .
then get books like you have done , i like the knotty boys and Midoris books too .Attend classes and demos , seek help from those you see and respect .practice alot . When i first started i  practiced on a huge stuffed animal i won at  the state fair before i used a live subject which gave me some  idea , though the human body  works alot different than stuffin  but its a start .
Cheaper climb ropes can be had if you get to know climbers or find an indoor  climb place ask if you can buy the  hour expired ropes .they can only be used so long before they have to replace them  but for many things we use them for  the ropes are still  fine . I recently got  some hemp ropes to add to the mix and i left some  rough and raw , the others i treated and they are soft and washable .I also saw  some books in the nautical sections of book stores  on knots and ties .When in doubt about what types of ropes can do what  or their strengths ask ..I have seen  some people try and use thin dollar store  cotton clothes line  for suspensions " an extreme example but valid " better to know for sure than drop a person . Do have  some sharp knives ,in case you have to cut . Besides being a safety thing its just plain fun  to get some cheap  ropes and slowly cut it off  .



DesFIP -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/18/2008 11:53:21 AM)

As az said, if you're not doing suspension, then the kind of rope isn't that important. Tying someone's legs together while they lie on a bed can be done with anything as long as it isn't so thin it cuts the person. Knots are less important than coils. Going around once and then knotting it puts all the pressure on a 1/4" thick piece of rope, coiling over and over until it's three inches wide spreads the pressure out.

We mainly use stuff from Home Depot that has cores. Really thin stuff is reserved for nipples. As long as he doesn't pull it through so fast that I get rope burn, I'm fine with it. And I like a soft feel to rope, but that's personal taste.

You might also get The Knotty Boys book to go along with Wiseman. Also look up their video how to's on youtube.



LillyRoseAngels -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/18/2008 12:35:51 PM)

this is the rope we use http://rainbowrope.com/all.html

but you can find the same stuff at an army surplus store. We always use nylon, its soft on the skin, and...cant say in all the times we've done suspension that it ever left a rope burn. The flat braid lays flush to the skin, and the knots dont generally dig in which is nice. But if your going for just regular bondage, not suspension, \You can go to walmart and find the trim section, and they have lots of nice braided silk rope, just burn the ends so it dosent fray.

I keep forgetting im on this profile, look up Sunnyfey, thats my other profile, i got a few suspension pic in there you might like to look at



Coupleofwhats -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/18/2008 12:47:05 PM)

When I got interested in rope, I went to Home Depot and got simple cotton blends. It's not abrasive, easy to clean and holds a knot well. And best of all, it's super cheap.



Irishm57 -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/18/2008 1:01:33 PM)

When i do rope bondage i use a decent marine type nylon. since i was born and raised on the waterfront in marblehead mass, i got decent at splicing , closing ends and making eyeloops. I even use 3/8 for general suspension and 1/2 inch for more intricate suspension. But i use a high grade marine nylon.

I found that using rope like climbers rope, when cut , it is not easy to closed the ends and keep the fraying etc from occuring and making it look crappy

If you want to get into rope where you need cut lengths, and don't want to waste expensive rope and cut a piece too short. Get a roll of cheap stuff to practice with. Harbor freight currently lists a spool of 600 feet of 1/4 inch yellow nylon for 12.99  catalog item(meaning not on the web site "item search", you click order from printed catalog and use that to search) number 47836-5XPA . If you use the Item search on the main page for item 47836, it costs 25 bucks.

it would be good for practice custom cut lengths and not cost a lot .


opps on a another note. I have read where they recommend 10X rope rated strength for suspension. I know 3/8 and 1/2 are marginal. But then again if i am hanging upside down on my bondage frame with my head a foot off the floor, if the rope broke, it isn't like my mind is going to loose more marbles than it has lost previously. Beginners should use rope ratings recommended in reputable bondage books.




SailingBum -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/20/2008 3:40:38 AM)

ehhh become a sailor we know out knots.  Do a search of knots to learn about types on knots and their uses.  Any sailing ropes called "sheets" from 3/8" and larger will provide all the strength and durability that you will need.  The strength is in the core.  The shell is for grip and protect it from UV rays

Hope this helps.  BadOne



nhite -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/20/2008 3:50:49 AM)

natural fibers hold the knots differently than the synthetics.  i dont find it at home depot, but sears has carried 100 feet of all cotton clothesline that for $10 is hard to beat;  its easy to wash; grips the knots; isn't miserable on the skin and is easily washed

people "serious" about ropes seem to be into hemp from places like twistedmonk.com;   hemp is nice and his rope is fantastic but for your situation of being new and exploring, i'd suggest the cotton easier/cheaper 

if you poke around on youtube look for twisted monk and two knotty boys they both have free instructional videos and in fact monk has one that talks of the different widths of rope;  by and large 1/4 inch isn't used for much as its too thin




nhite -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/20/2008 3:54:19 AM)

6 or 8 mm seems to be pretty much what most folks use;  the thicker the rope the bulkier the knots and the more difficult they are to accomodate;  i would also think the knots would weigh more

the youtube of monk talking about rope widths, he demonstrates the differences using 4, 6, 8

if the goal is simply to bind someone so they feel helpless or bind them for sexual use - then i've not found that you need to know many knots.  even if you want to do something ornamental like a karada (which is basically rope netting you apply to the torso) that doesn't use fancy knots either.  its more crucial to understand the base theories of safety - ie dont tie on joints; how many wraps do you need; what to expect for changes in a persons body from being tied and what to worry about;  what questions to ask;   and ALWAYS send them to pee BEFORE TYING!!!  [:D]

if you want 'pretty' i will say the double coin knot (i think shown by TKB two knotty boys) is pretty and not complicated

you should have a way to cut the person out of ropes with you on yoru person if possible at ALL times;   emt scissors are safe and cheap;    some folks use a rescue hook.     the concern with a knife or household shears is if its a situation where youre cutting, then its possible the person is moving or flailing or its a panic moment.   the last thing you want is to risk cutting them with a box knife.   while everyone admits its not likely to happen its one of those why even risk it?



BadGirl123 -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/22/2008 7:58:33 PM)

I got started with Wal Mart's cheap cotton rope for $2.50 for 50 feet. Washes well (throw in a net bag before tossing in the washer). Smooth and flexible (the stuff animal to practice on is a hoot... I tell my grandson we are playing "cowboys and indians).
 
I've started a notebook with knots and info printed from the internet. You'd be surprised at how few knots you need to know to have a variety of bondage scenes.
animated knots (non lifestyle):
http://www.animatedknots.com/
Lifestyle bondage:
Wiseman, Knotty boys and Midori are all
Tatu is renowned for his Japanese rope bondage; his yahoo message board:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AdultRopeArt/
And Tatu's web pages with photos and instructions.
http://japaneseropeart.com/RopeArt/tutorials.html
http://ds-arts.com/RopeArt/mainrope.html
As for safety, never leave the sub alone and EMT scissors should always be close at hand.
Most of the bondage sites feature women. Here is a free bondage site featuring men:
www.meninrope.com



pompeii -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/24/2008 12:49:43 AM)

West Marine has really soft black rope that is poi'fect for tying your sub up comfy' like.......



ResidentSadist -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/24/2008 1:02:54 AM)

-=Several Instructional Rope Bondage Videos=-


Many links in that list.  Should have a little something that might interest you.






HardnRuff -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/24/2008 6:45:47 AM)

I  like to use hemp rope in 6 mm......... , but like many have said the 1/4" from a mrine store or wal mart work just as well. Also the silk is awesome. Depending on what you want to do you will need diferent lengths of rope.. Id  get several 50 ft lengths as well as some 25, 15 and ten. You can color code them for easy reference.

Nylon rope seems to work well and causes less skin irritation.I would lean away from cotton rope. Cotton seems to retain  moisture and therefore can hold germs.Ans the knots do not seem to hold well IMO.

The climbing rope  is rather expensive and I only use it for suspension bondage.I have also had good success with jute rope.Id stay with the 3/8 size until I learned a lil more then you can move up to the 1/4" or a 5/32"....I get all My rope from twisted monk. He has some awesome colors and it usualy runs about a buck a foot.

I hope this helps you a lil..... Be well and safe
 



subbisherri -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/24/2008 12:18:24 PM)

Climbing rope is darned expensive! If you're reall fixated on that though, if there's a climbing club or college outdoor club or even good climbing store nearby, sometimes climbers sell old ropes that have had too many falls to climb with anymore, often we use them for haul ropes or cut them up to make slings and stuff like that. That would be a lot cheaper.



SexyBlackMan2 -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/24/2008 1:36:10 PM)

it really depends on use. Just make sure you learn knots and where not to put a knot. Of course never let anyone in rope out of your sight unless you are doing a simply crotch harness. I recommend trauma shears over regular scissors. The cost about $5. Trauma shears are what EMT's use and they literally cut through almost anything.

If you are doing something under clothing, a 3/8 inch nylon rope is good. But for anthing else, thicker rope is easier and softer.

I recommend going to a boating store or a Bass Pro. You can sometimes find boating type rope in a Home Depot or Lowes. But, boating rope is thicker, very strong, and softer if you plan to use it for anymore than an hour.



seekingdomdublin -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/24/2008 2:51:39 PM)

can you get silk ropes? worried about rope burn.... well, and i like silk![:D]



ViceVersa -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/24/2008 6:39:14 PM)

Here's a place where you can get silk rope - http://www.butterflyrope.com/ - and there are undoubtedly other places. I haven't used silk myself, but I know people who have and they like it quite a bit.



nhite -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/28/2008 5:42:29 PM)

www.twistedmonk.com  sells silk rope done by madame butterfly

as i understand it, with cotton ropes if you wash it in the washing machine you can add bleach to address the germ concerns

although i dont know what %'s are needed for what levels of safety



SenorJaime -> RE: Getting Started with Rope (8/28/2008 6:12:30 PM)

I hope you get a chance to come to Austin for one of our monthly rope meetings.  We have a lot of enthusiastic and talented regulars that can enspire newbies and crusty, jaded long-timers alike. 

Regarding rope, I'll echo the suggestion of trying some inexpensive cotton line as a starter for what you're looking to do.  You can always upgrade to fancier magician's rope or hemp or jute if you get interested in suspension bondage.



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