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McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 8:24:51 AM   
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pretty arrogant since he doesnt USE the internet!!

check out how big business will benefit-  1.3 billion Walmart...

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 8:42:01 AM   
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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 9:10:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Scrolling down in the article one poster wrote "Did not the government invent the internet ".

The answer is no, ever hear of the CERN committee ?

The US government can do very little to control the internet. They can shut down websites or make them move out of the country with something like USC2257, but that is not controlling the internet. They can, and did force Napster to shut down by threat of jail, but I can still get any song I want on P2P. The media is controlled in the US, but I can get news from anywhere in the world. They can copyright technical data I need for work all they want, but I can download anything I need on a certain website.

A government can block certain domains, but others will pop up, they will have a never ending task of blocking more and more domains. The Chinese government does this, but they knew it would not be effective enough, so they demanded the source code for Windows before allowing it to be sold there. They modified it to achieve their censorship. I doubt even that is working perfectly.

While I am against "them" even trying to censor anything, in the long run it will not work. Thousands of programmers will be working against them, possibly some of their own people.

In the end it will just be a waste of money, errr, a redistribution of money. That's what they do.

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 9:27:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		BTW, if you wiki for the CERN committee you have to scroll down a bit to find out about their internet development. That was not their primary goal to invent the internet, they mainly oversee nuclear projects and do research on it. They invented the internet as a tool for themselves, to share information. Then they gave it to the world.

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 9:37:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read the IPs are too hard to monitor- and they might do a "licence" it would be like a driver license that you must insert into the computer to enter the Internet- WWW.

McCain is not teck savy. I am sure he has done some good things in his life. but why didnt the GOP offer him in 2004?  he is only here now as it is the best bet to beat the DEM.  Neocons dont like McCain..... he isnt bush enuff

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 9:47:22 AM   
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"licence" it would be like a driver license that you must insert into the computer to enter the Internet- WWW.


and identity theft will be the easiest thing in the world for hackers to do...


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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 10:45:41 AM   
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McCain appeared at the All Things Digital conference in Carlsbad, Calif., and said he did not think government regulation of internet service providers to stop them from censoring, slowing down, or otherwise disrupting consumer’s access to the internet in order to stifle competitors or undesirable content was an appropriate solution.

"When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment,” he said, according to TheDailyBackground.com.

Later, McCain said: "I’m all for the government encouraging competition, but I’ve found over time that less government involvement is better.

"Unless there is a clear-cut, unequivocal restraint of competition, the government should stay out of it,” McCain said. "These things will sort themselves out.”


http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/3/224720.shtml


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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 1:19:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		CERN did not invent the internet. They were involved in the development of what became known as the World Wide Web but the internet predates WWW by about 20 years. The internet was invented by ARPA, later DARPA. Originially it was even called ARPAnet.

CERN's contributions to WWW is even pretty blown out of proportion due to politics at W3C, the group that manages standards for WWW.  There is no doubt that Tim Berners-Lee was the first to articulate the concepts that became WWW. However the actual working software that made the web a reality was invented by grad students working at the NCSA lab at the University of Illinois.

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 1:54:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

BTW, if you wiki for the CERN committee you have to scroll down a bit to find out about their internet development. That was not their primary goal to invent the internet, they mainly oversee nuclear projects and do research on it. They invented the internet as a tool for themselves, to share information. Then they gave it to the world.

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That's why it was called the ARPANET (ARPA was the predecessor of DARPA).

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 3:12:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		As much as I am loathe to stand up for McCain, good on him. Net neutrality has been pervesely warped into some kind of anti-corporate holy grail, when it's half of the big business world that will reap the monopoly profits of that kind of government interference, to the detriment of the great body of people. Far from making consumers and 'the little guy' better off, it will do exactly the opposite.

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/16/2008 6:55:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		DT, doesn't everything they do result in that same result ?

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/17/2008 11:14:35 AM   
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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/17/2008 2:26:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Imagining that corporate America is concerned with what`s best for the consumer,is really a stretch.

Imo,we should be voting for the guy who`s closer to what consumers want,and not who the major telecoms want.



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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/17/2008 4:06:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Imagining that corporate America is concerned with what`s best for the consumer,is really a stretch.

Imo,we should be voting for the guy who`s closer to what consumers want,and not who the major telecoms want.




Bingo and it IS the holy grail.

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/17/2008 4:35:58 PM   
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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/19/2008 12:35:36 AM   
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"licence" it would be like a driver license that you must insert into the computer to enter the Internet- WWW.


and identity theft will be the easiest thing in the world for hackers to do...



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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/19/2008 6:02:54 AM   
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DK, but we do agree it wasn't Al Gore right ?

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Actually we don't.

First off Gore never ever claimed to have done so, invented the internet or WWW that is.

What Gore actually said is completely true.

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/19/2008 9:13:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		The internet grew out of ARPANET which was a goverment funded project in distribuited computing with the intent of allowing our data infrastructure to survive a nuclear attack.

The internet wasn't built by the fed but the development of the techniques was funded by the fed.

Before there was the world wide web, there was NNTP, GOPHER, WAIS, FTP, and IRC.  I would date the inception of the internet as it currently is with the developement of HTML (Hyper Text Multi Linking) and the Mosaic web browser to utilize it.  Mosiaic was a student project and not a government project. <grin>  BTW, ALL the current web browsers use Mosaic code at their core.

What we have here is a failure to commuinicate. <trivia 101: Where did that tag line come from?>  So many equate "control <=> Safe" and "no control <=> threat".  Hence the big push to get the internet "under control". 

The big question is who has the right to control.  Remember, the Federal Government has turned every site they used for cold war production into a supferfund hazardous materials cleanup site.  Do you trust this organization with a history of waste, fraud, and abuse with the mandate to clean up your mind? <grin>  Personally, I'd trust the bickering ISO (International Standards Organization) internet communications committee more.

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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/19/2008 11:18:10 AM   
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RE: McCain to stop net nuetrality - 8/19/2008 10:01:38 PM   
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