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INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 10:30:09 AM   
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Anyone who can convince me that childbirth is not painful can have a shot at it. If i had known just how painful it was going to be i would not have gotten pregnant. I ended up having three kids. Each pregnancy different and despite all attempts just as painful as the other. Also ended up raising them single handed....driven by instinct to have babies and therefore did not do a sit down board meeting dioscussion to decide who the father was going to be. If you asked me now would i have a baby again? for sure....driven by instinct.
Now, here's the crux. I reckon i am driven by instinct to be an s-type. This came out of a very interesting phone call with a dom friend of 5 years. He reackons he's driven by instinct to be a Dom....that sometimes his life works out more simply when he's not playing/sceneing but he's driven to come back to it time and rime again.
I should admit here i suppose to feeling whole when i am serving and even more whole (if that is possible) when someone is testing my service by thrashing the hell out of me because i am a no limits girl and oh how i want to serve that!....in just about any possible way that asked of me.
I have also had moments (like the peak enperiences of the pain of childbirth for example) when i know i have no reasonable control over what got me into the situation.....i mean there is no reasonable control at that moment in childbirth which simply feels like, and i'm pretty certain looks like that scene from Alien the movie.
Instinct....just insrtinct like a salmon swimming upstream, losing most of their body weight, jumping higher and higher and performing fetes of incredible physical stamina.
Is there anyone else who feels their involvment in this bdsm world is instinctual? Prepared to say they cannot choose to do without it? Not expecting any but the brave to say they have no control over it (but i will admit to having put myself at incredible risk).
Dictionary definition btw:  a natural or innate impulse, inclination, skill or tendency.




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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:04:07 AM   
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While I have an instinct to procreate I used various birth control methods to ensure that I did not have unwanted pregnancies. I have an instinct toward submissive behaviors but that does not mean that I allow every person I happen upon to do whatever they wish to my mind/body/soul.

I make choices as to whom I submit. I make choices about how I live my life. Some of my choices have physical consequences (ie high blood pressure) but those are a part of living my life and taking chances.

This is a good question. I'm going to need to watch the answers and continue to think about mine.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:04:47 AM   
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My thinking?

I conceptualize this in terms of role based behaviorial dynamics.  I have lots of roles in my life... husband, master, manager, employee, friend, confidant, business partner, etc.  As a default, I will choose to take on the dominant position in any of those roles (tempered by the reality of the situation.. .but if there's a power vacuum present, then I'll step in to fill it).  So I think of myself as "naturally dominant" because it's a tool that I'll reach for in my personal toolbelt as a default.  So by that dictionary definition, "dominating" is instinctual for me.  That is not to say, however, that I have no control over where and how that instinct gets put into play.  As it is used by the BDSM crowd though, I suspect I am more switch than dominant.  I'm also fine with following assuming someone else is leading reasonably well by my lights.  If my wife were more dominant than she is, I think I'd be fine filling the sub role if that was what was going to work out best for our marriage.  I don't have the strong need to deploy my dominance in any specific area of my life such as my personal relationship.  I'm pretty sure, however, that if I was getting insufficient opportunities to be in the dominant position across my life as a whole, I'd be unhappy.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:07:01 AM   
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my answer to this question is both yes and no. i am instinctive and naturally submissive. Have been so all my life. But i do not equate that to having no control over who i submit to. my life and my submission is currently in flux due to career and personal changes, so that my ability to submit to a D-type is limited. However, instead of running around searching for a D-type to desperately submit to, i take the need to submit and serve and use it to help my adult children or grandkids, or etc. So while the need to submit and to serve has always been present with me, i do not allow it to drive me to do unwise things.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:11:00 AM   
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Many components that are at least part  of the mindset or make-up of a submissive, yes, are instinctive to me..  ie.caring for others, people pleaser, nurturer...
but
   I would not necessarily say I have an instinct to be submitting to anothers control.   A preference  ( in my intimate relationships with men ) yes.   Preference and contentment,  comfort, even pre-disposition towards being with someone who is in control in our relationship. 
 
  What I do feel that IS instinctive and kicks in automatically is my stepping up to be the one in control if there is no one else doing that or that I trust to do it.  Self-preservation in that regard seems to be a stronger instinct for me personally.  Not my preference tho'.
 
 
 
 

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:12:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

So while the need to submit and to serve has always been present with me, i do not allow it to drive me to do unwise things.

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Well it occurs to me here the very obvious point that there is therefore a difference between animal and human instinct....in as much that we as humans have an ability to reflect upon our instinct(s). Retrospection is always 50-50 vision.


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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:32:25 AM   
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My wife/sub believes that genetics has as much to do with D/s as environment.  Most Dom(mes) I know (and have asked) showed dominant personalities at a very young age-they were the leaders among their friends, as opposed to being followers. Many walked to a different drummers then the group. They were non-comformists.

So yes, I believe that instinct has something to do with who you are...


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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:36:10 AM   
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yes i would say that its instinctual and yes i choose not to live without it.

using the 'having babies' analogy - i didnt have tom out of instinct especially, he just came along. the instinctive part came when my maternal instinct overrode everything but most especially my life - but thats parenting. 

being a sub has its instincts and yes i lose control when i feel its safe to do so.  i have had no control and do not want control in any way shape or form.  but thats the point of submission.  relinquishing control is the hot part of it for me.

i have risked emotionally yes, but ive done that all of my life in all sorts of relationships and im trying really hard to break that pattern now.

allowing instinct to take me to a dangerous place is possibly a kink all of its own, but not one of mine.  i dont think taking risks with your submission is a sign of anything other than you are a risk taker - and thats cool if it works for you.

to be honest, its because of tom that i would and could never do that.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:52:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: masterforRT

My wife/sub believes that genetics has as much to do with D/s as environment.  Most Dom(mes) I know (and have asked) showed dominant personalities at a very young age-they were the leaders among their friends, as opposed to being followers. Many walked to a different drummers then the group. They were non-comformists.

So yes, I believe that instinct has something to do with who you are...




Ok going by what you say here then I'm seriouly mixed up *S*

Growing up, I was the leader of my group of friends,(still am alot) I was the one that controlled who did what when we did group projects in school.

I have never cared whether random people that have no importance with in my life liked me or not. I never followed trends or tried to "fit in" with what other people thought was cool or hip or what ever. My attitude was like me or not it's your choice but i'm not going to bend over backwards to make someone like me. Just don't give a damn really.

The only people i feel a need to please are those i care about.

I'm a submissive *S*

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 11:54:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

my answer to this question is both yes and no. i am instinctive and naturally submissive. Have been so all my life. But i do not equate that to having no control over who i submit to. my life and my submission is currently in flux due to career and personal changes, so that my ability to submit to a D-type is limited. However, instead of running around searching for a D-type to desperately submit to, i take the need to submit and serve and use it to help my adult children or grandkids, or etc. So while the need to submit and to serve has always been present with me, i do not allow it to drive me to do unwise things.

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heartfelt already said what I was going to say in regards to the OP, so I'll just cheat and say

"Ditto for me" (just replace adult kids and grand kids with friends and family *S*)

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 12:06:39 PM   
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That's because you're younger than i am akisha, i'm an old fart.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 12:08:49 PM   
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50-50 vision, is that like 20-20, as in seeing everything clearly? Not familiar with the term.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 12:10:38 PM   
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I make choices, and big ones, such as procreation were entered into seriously.  I didn't procreate just because I could.  I don't submit just because I can.  I don't feel like being a submissive is an instinct.  It's part of who I am, and although it's an important part, it's not the most important, especially when I'm not in a relationship.  I don't feel driven by an overwhelming need to serve, I do feel driven to have the best life I can.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 12:20:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TysGalilah.......is my stepping up to be the one in control if there is no one else doing that or that I trust to do it.

You've knocked that nail on the head again.


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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 12:26:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lally3

to be honest, its because of tom that i would and could never do that.

Maybe as well as the human ability to reflect on instinct we have levels of it the? And i have to admit the more the risk the hotter it is......(oh bting on the clowns lol) but i also have fled from abusive danger vecause i have had the need to protect my children. They have been, they are and probably always will remain the mechanism that grounds me when all else fails. They were conceived though also out of risk.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 12:34:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

50-50 vision, is that like 20-20, as in seeing everything clearly? Not familiar with the term.

heartfelt

whoops...........can't do maths today. Heck maybe 50-50 is like even better lol....



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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 12:38:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I make choices, and big ones, such as procreation were entered into seriously.  I didn't procreate just because I could.  I don't submit just because I can.  I don't feel like being a submissive is an instinct.  It's part of who I am, and although it's an important part, it's not the most important, especially when I'm not in a relationship.  I don't feel driven by an overwhelming need to serve, I do feel driven to have the best life I can.

I could learn a great deal from you.
In all honesty? when i am consciously making choices during a scene, i do not feel as if i am submiitted. When i am purely ME then i am completely submitted which is tantamount to me saying when i am not at choice......



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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 1:01:28 PM   
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One of the things that separates us from the animals is our capacity to control our instincts. It doesn't mean we won't feel the drive, but we have the right (and I believe the responsibility) to direct those drives in a way that is most productive.

I am instinctively dominant. That being said, I recognize that there are times when it is not in my best interests to aggressively promote my dominance. It is a choice. Being instinctively (some call it 'naturally') dominant or submissive does not abdicate the personal responsibility in making sure that one's choices are, at least in some part, based on something beyond that instinct. In fact, I would go so far as to say that our survival, as human beings, requires that we get past sating our instinctive desires at the cost of our long-term well being... not just as individuals, but as communities, countries, and cultures.

I also gave birth to three children. 2 of these were planned, one wished for but unexpected since I was supposed to be sterile -- I did have two completely unplanned pregnancies due to BC failure but I made a choice to end one pregnancy, and the other ended in a stillbirth.

Of my full-term babies, two of them were induced, and no pain medication was used. One was born at home with no medication at all. The boys were 10 and 10.5 lbs (yes, my husband and I were both big babies as well). The daughter (my second birth) was 8 lbs. Was birth painful? Yes. I knew it would be difficult. I had been a midwife for a while before my own children were born. It is one of the most intense, demanding experiences possible for a woman -- and for the woman who embraces that pain and challenge, the moment of realization that she has overcome this raw force of nature, and has brought forth life out of her own strength is mind-blowing. I would bet that many of these women never question their capacity to do any difficult thing again in their lives. Like many things, there are the panderers who will try to convince a person that xhe is not experiencing what xhe is experiencing. With "my" moms -- the ones I assisted in their birthings -- I never told them it wouldn't hurt -- in fact, I told them that it would be the most intense, consuming experience they had ever had -- and the hardest work they had ever done. I also told them that they would not be abandoned to that work alone -- that I would be there, and would do whatever they needed to help them triumph through this transformative force. I think many women want to hope and pray that they will be the one that it doesn't hurt for -- but it -does- hurt. It is supposed to hurt. It is supposed to mark a profound transition between being woman and being -mother-... preparation for a lifetime of joys and pains that are beyond our capacity to comprehend until we have lived through them.

In the end, it is how we use our minds and spirits, in concert with our instincts, that determines our progress and our satisfaction with our existence. Leave out any of these, and the experience is liable to be found 'wanting'.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 1:21:02 PM   
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i also wanted to add, i don't look at my submissive nature and need to serve as an instinct, i.e. something that i can't control. i look at it as a natural part of who i am and something that i don't feel entirely complete unless it is allowed to flow, but i can, do and should control where and when it flows. Just to further explain the no portion of my answer and maybe to just make my answer a complete no.

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RE: INSTINCT - 8/12/2008 3:19:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW
In fact, I would go so far as to say that our survival, as human beings, requires that we get past sating our instinctive desires at the cost of our long-term well being... not just as individuals, but as communities, countries, and cultures.



I singled this statement out because i think it is a powerful politic. One of the shifts of consciousness i experienced when i bacame mother was that, within any group of children, it was mine i would hear the cries of and it was mine and only mine that i wanted to attend to the needs of.
Thus it was the first time i had really felt instinctual possessiveness and differentiation.
It does inded speak wonders for the case for celibacy on a spiritual path
Yes; transcendence of our instincts is what would best, if i might also be so bold as to speak politically, transcendence of our instibcts is what will ultimately transcend us all. But instinct has a powerful pull like a profound pull that will not no matter how much any of us try to deny it, instinct has a way of expressing itself.
It is thus that i find a profoundness within bdsm....the way in which sado-masochism and power would and does otherwise work its way out non-consensually within the world.
PS thank God for midwives.




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