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JohnSteed1967 -> John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/9/2008 9:15:23 PM)
While there are a number of threads on this issue, I am seeking to focus this topic on one thing: "How do these people's affairs/indiscretions or failures of their public lives affect anything that goes on with their ability to lead or to fulfill their job descriptions" I mean we all know that JFK was screwing a list of women from Marylin Monroe to Sam Gincani the mob boss's girlfriend. Does that take away from any of the wonderful things that JFK did while he was in office?? NASA, The Peace Core, etc Thomas Jefferson was getting Jungle Fever with Sally Hemmings, does that some how destroy the value of The Declaration of Independence or the founding of the library of Congress and national archives? Did one soldier die in a foreign land, was one penny taken from the poor, was anyone, anywhere at anytime hurt by Bill Clinton's affair with Monica? Except maybe hillary and chelsa? So why is this Non News item on my television, internet or even part of my reality????

NeedingMore220 -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/9/2008 10:51:03 PM)
Well, Jim McGreevey did hire someone to work on homeland security who is an Israeli citizen by the name of Golan Cipel and with whom he was alleged to have had an extrmarital affair with. Mr. Cipel was at one point prepared to file a sexual discrimination complaint against the governor. So ... in this case, someone with no qualifications was hired as a homeland security advisor for a state. Definitely overstepping bounds. I could care less who politicians boink. Just don't screw around with my life.

Vendaval -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/10/2008 12:40:54 AM)
Do some research on the Roman Empire, European Nobility and especially the Borgias. Fun times! "The Borgias or Borjas were an Italian noble family of Spanish origin remembered today for their corrupt rule of the Papacy during the Renaissance. They are in fact thought to be "history's first criminal family", and a forerunner to the Italian Mafia.[1] The patriarch of the family, Rodrigo Borgia, "became a bishop, cardinal and vice-chancellor of the church."[2] He was later elected Pope, taking the name Alexander VI and kept that position for at least eleven years. Other members of the Borgia family were Lucrezia Borgia and Cesare Borgia, daughter and son of Rodrigo Borgia, respectively. Among the many accusations against the Borgia family, some are of incest, adultery, murder, and scandal.[1]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borgia

MmeGigs -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/10/2008 6:08:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967 So why is this Non News item on my television, internet or even part of my reality???? Because we-the-people are more interested in gossip than in news. I think that many of us have forgotten that there's a difference. Fact is, scandal gets more attention than hard news, and sex scandal gets more attention than anything. If all at the same time a major corporation announced huge layoffs, a candidate gave a detailed position speech about immigration policy, a congressman was caught taking bribes and Paris Hilton was injured in a car accident while giving some guy a blowjob, which story would most media outlets lead with? I'd like to think a few wouldn't lead with Paris, but if there were pictures or video, I'm sure that would be the top story everywhere but public radio. Which story would likely have the most follow-up in coming weeks? Which story would likely get googled most often? The media are giving us what we want. Scandal involving politicians makes the news fairly often because the politician's opponents have an interest in seeing that it does and they have the access to the media. The media is kind of lazy these days, regurgitating what's given to them rather than going out and getting facts. The media are also businesspeople. Media outlets that focus on news rather than gossip don't get the big audiences.

farglebargle -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/10/2008 6:29:09 AM)
That's an oversimplification, I think. The Media are OWNED by Corporations with their own agenda. If the companies that own the media want a war so the they can sell more weapons and services, then they will arrange one. The Media IS the problem. If they told the truth, there would be a Revolution.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/10/2008 7:33:32 AM)
quote: Does that take away from any of the wonderful things that JFK did while he was in office?? NASA, JFK didn't create NASA; it was created in 1958 by a legislative act. JFK doing wonderful things in debatable; I tend to think of him as a mediocre President who was turned into a martyr by his admirers. quote: Did one soldier die in a foreign land, was one penny taken from the poor, was anyone, anywhere at anytime hurt by Bill Clinton's affair with Monica? Except maybe hillary and chelsa? It has been suggested that the 3 military operations conducted in 1998 and 1999 were initiated to take attention away from the Lewinsky scandal.

JohnSteed1967 -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/10/2008 10:30:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle The Media are OWNED by Corporations with their own agenda. If the companies that own the media want a war so the they can sell more weapons and services, then they will arrange one. The Media IS the problem. If they told the truth, there would be a Revolution. THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!!!! 100% correct ! It has been said that Woodward and Berstien would have never even gotten a job in today's Media!

pahunkboy -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/10/2008 10:31:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle That's an oversimplification, I think. The Media are OWNED by Corporations with their own agenda. If the companies that own the media want a war so the they can sell more weapons and services, then they will arrange one. The Media IS the problem. If they told the truth, there would be a Revolution. it does make you wonder.

Alumbrado -> RE: John Edwards, Bill Clinton,Spitzer,McGreevy (8/10/2008 11:21:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: Does that take away from any of the wonderful things that JFK did while he was in office?? NASA, JFK didn't create NASA; it was created in 1958 by a legislative act. JFK doing wonderful things in debatable; I tend to think of him as a mediocre President who was turned into a martyr by his admirers. quote: Did one soldier die in a foreign land, was one penny taken from the poor, was anyone, anywhere at anytime hurt by Bill Clinton's affair with Monica? Except maybe hillary and chelsa? It has been suggested that the 3 military operations conducted in 1998 and 1999 were initiated to take attention away from the Lewinsky scandal. Yep....'Why we care', is because there is a good chance that such things are indicative of a personality/mentality that thinks of other human beings as merely objects to be used for gratification, which can end up getting people hurt or killed in the pursuit of power.

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