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Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 2:26:08 PM   
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Law Professor: Counter Terrorism Czar Told Me There Is Going To Be An i-9/11 And An i-Patriot Act


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Amazing revelations have emerged concerning already existing government plans to overhaul the way the internet functions in order to apply much greater restrictions and control over the web.

Lawrence Lessig, a respected Law Professor from Stanford University told an audience at this years Fortune’s Brainstorm Tech conference in Half Moon Bay, California, that “There’s going to be an i-9/11 event” which will act as a catalyst for a radical reworking of the law pertaining to the internet.

Lessig also revealed that he had learned, during a dinner with former government Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke, that there is already in existence a cyber equivalent of the Patriot Act, an “i-Patriot Act” if you will, and that the Justice Department is waiting for a cyber terrorism event in order to implement its provisions.


During a group panel segment titled “2018: Life on the Net”, Lessig stated:
There’s going to be an i-9/11 event. Which doesn’t necessarily mean an Al Qaeda attack, it means an event where the instability or the insecurity of the internet becomes manifest during a malicious event which then inspires the government into a response. You’ve got to remember that after 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.

The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.

Of course, the Patriot Act is filled with all sorts of insanity about changing the way civil rights are protected, or not protected in this instance. So I was having dinner with Richard Clarke and I asked him if there is an equivalent, is there an i-Patriot Act just sitting waiting for some substantial event as an excuse to radically change the way the internet works. He said “of course there is”.

Lessig is the founder of Stanford Law School’s Center for Internet and Society. He is founding board member of Creative Commons and is a board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and of the Software Freedom Law Center. He is best known as a proponent of reduced legal restrictions on copyright, trademark and radio frequency spectrum, particularly in technology applications.
These are clearly not the ravings of some paranoid cyber geek.

The Patriot Act, as well as its lesser known follow up the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as USA Patriot Act II, have been universally decried by civil libertarians and Constitutional scholars from across the political spectrum. They have stripped back basic rights and handed what have been described by even the most moderate critics as “dictatorial control” over to the president and the federal government.

Many believed that the legislation was a response to the attacks of 9/11, but the reality was that the Patriot Act was prepared way in advance of 9/11 and it sat dormant, awaiting an event to justify its implementation.

In the days after the attacks it was passed in the House by a majority of 357 to 66. It passed the Senate by 98 to 1. Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was even allowed to read the legislation.

Now we discover that exactly the same freedom restricting legislation has already been prepared for the cyber world.

An i-9/11, as described by Lawrence Lessig, would provide the perfect pretext to implement such restrictions in one swift motion, as well as provide the justification for relegating and eliminating specific content and information on the web.
Such an event could come in the form of a major viral attack, the hacking of a major city’s security or transport systems, or some other vital systems, or a combination of all of these things. Considering the amount of unanswered questions regarding 9/11 and all the indications that it was a covert false flag operation, it isn’t hard to imagine such an event being played out in the cyber world.
However, regardless of any i-9/11 or i-Patriot Act, there is already a coordinated effort to stem the reach and influence of the internet.

We have tirelessly warned of this general movement to restrict, censor, control and eventually completely shut down the internet as we know it, thereby killing the last real vestige of free speech in the world today and eliminating the greatest communication and information tool ever conceived.

Our governments have reams of legislation penned to put clamps on the web as we know it. Legislation such as the PRO-IP Act of 2007: H.R. 4279, that would create an IP czar at the Department of Justice and the Intellectual Property Enforcement Act of 2007: S. 522, which would create an entire ‘Intellectual Property Enforcement Network’. These are just two examples.

In addition, we have already seen how the major corporate websites and social networks are decentralizing and coming together to implement overarching identification, verification and access systems that have been described by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg as “the beginning of a movement and the beginning of an industry.”

Some of these major tech companies have already joined efforts in projects such as the Information Card Foundation, which has proposed the creation of a system of internet ID cards that will be required for internet access. Of course, such a system would give those involved the ability to track and control user activity much more effectively. This is just one example.

In addition, as we reported yesterday, major transportation hubs like St. Pancras International, as well as libraries, big businesses, hospitals and other public outlets that offer wi-fi Internet, are blacklisting alternative news websites and making them completely inaccessible to their users.

These precedents are merely the first indication of what is planned for the Internet over the next 5-10 years, with the traditional web becoming little more than a vast spy database that catalogues people’s every activity and bombards them with commercials, while those who comply with centralized control and regulation of content will be free to enjoy the new super-fast Internet 2.

We must speak out about this rampant move to implement strict control mechanisms on the web NOW before it is too late, before the spine of the free internet is broken and its body essentially becomes paralyzed beyond repair.
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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 4:03:44 PM   
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Interesting topic, without a doubt. I wonder if such a set of laws could be effectively enforced, or would the enforcement mechanism just fall flat on its face?

The internet is utilized by means of source code programming done by humans (no it's not a series of tubes), so should an ID card system such as the one discussed be implemented, what prevents someone with equal or better skills than the creators possess from just hacking it? Every ID card-like system used in the field of commercial electronics (that I'm aware of) has been hacked and bypassed. That includes DirecTV, DishNetwork, old C-band satellites, video game consoles, you name it. I just don't see the point myself.

Also I can't help but wonder if it will push the super-techy folks off the internet and onto a separate, as yet undiscovered network type, where we/they can start all over again building a big-brother-free (and hopefully advert-free) place to be geeky. Anyway, I hope if that happens, they can finally find a way do rid my inbox of the 100+ ads per day I receive for penis pills...

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 4:14:34 PM   
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I truly am surprised they haven't done it yet. I fully 100% expect it to happen sometime. It'll be the day I downgrade to dialup and only use it to pay bills.

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 6:03:05 PM   
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Interesting post, thank you for it.

Lessig is a respected voice if not a popular
one with the powers that be.  And Clarke was
in a position to know.

Based on past demonstrated behavior of the
various "security" agencies I think this is believable.

Remember what Sinclair Lewis said.
"When totalitarinism comes to America it will come
wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross"

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 6:08:36 PM   
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The Patriot Act has not changed my life one iota. I don't know what all the fuss is about. What in that bill has changed your life for the worse??

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 6:32:19 PM   
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The Patriot Act has changed all our lives.  We do not know it yet because they are not required to tell us what they are doing.

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 6:47:06 PM   
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I guess I would like to hear just one example of how it has changed your life..

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 6:47:07 PM   
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quote:

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The Patriot Act has not changed my life one iota. I don't know what all the fuss is about...


The total corruption and subsequent destruction of our democracy will take time. Have patience. We'll likely live to see what the fuss is about.


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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 6:54:13 PM   
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It hasn't disrupted any ones life in this Country except those who tend to do harm to the citizens of this Country. If you can't site even one example in the last 5 years I don't see how it harmed you..

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 7:07:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The Patriot Act has not changed my life one iota. I don't know what all the fuss is about. What in that bill has changed your life for the worse??


Niemöller must have been thinking of you when he said:

         "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
         And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
         And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
        And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."



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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 7:13:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: E2Sweet

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The Patriot Act has not changed my life one iota. I don't know what all the fuss is about...


The total corruption and subsequent destruction of our democracy will take time. Have patience. We'll likely live to see what the fuss is about.



Looks like we'll need to shoot a whole bunch of people at some point.
Or, maybe we could rig up a guillotine like the French.

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 7:23:52 PM   
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slaveforuse,

Actually not only can they now search your private records,
medical, financial and others without telling you.  The people
who do know about it are forbidden to tell you.  So it is not
surprising you don't know if you have been harmed.  That was
built in from the beginning.

What else about it don't you know?  And why do you think your
self proclaimed ignorance is any protection?

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 7:34:01 PM   
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Or, maybe we could rig up a guillotine like the French.


Ah yes, because nothing says "good idea" like echoing a course of action that led to a time generally known as The Reign of Terror.

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 7:35:30 PM   
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They can do all of those things. It is illigal though without a FISA court order issued by a federal judge..

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 7:44:54 PM   
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Actually not only can they now search your private records,
medical, financial and others without telling you. 


Do you think the authorities were prevented from this before the Patriot Act?  If you give me your name, I can go down to your county courthouse and get a lot of this information myself.  Hell a lot of local governments put it online now.  The government monitors all of our finances and has done so for a long time.  Privacy is an illusion, and it always has been. 

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 8:05:41 PM   
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I am glad that our general court records are public.  "Secret proceedings" are a hallmark of fascism.  That many records are (and were) available to be searched isn't the issue.  It is that less cause for search has to be indicated before they commit actual resources to searching.  (And by THEY, I mean US since this government is ours, and it does exactly what we ask of it.)  I don't believe the Patriot Act is wrong because it has affected me personally.  I believe it is wrong because it is un-American, and flies in the face of the individual freedoms we consider to be defining principles of our democracy.

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 8:12:51 PM   
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1984    "big brother is watching you"

no, there is no such thing as privacy

if you want privacy, your best bet is to go back to the good old fashioned letter writing (or live close to your friends and family), you'll need your own private courier, of course.  pay for everything with cash and become very selective with whom you trust and deal with. oh yeah and give up phones.  always wear a hat so maybe nobody will notice and oh yeah....  and don't let anyone know that deep down inside, you know there is a conspiracy within the "new world order"

the only place for privacy in this world, isn't even in your own home...  it's in an unknown cave that cannot be seen from the earthwatch satelites.  be sure to erase your tracks as you back into the area.

we lose more freedom everyday.... and people blind themselves to it....  it's only a matter of time.

 

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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 8:17:30 PM   
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Legislate the internet?

The internet is global, n'est-çe pas? So how does the American government plan to legislate a global entity?


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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 8:27:50 PM   
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It hasn't disrupted any ones life in this Country except those who tend to do harm to the citizens of this Country. If you can't site even one example in the last 5 years I don't see how it harmed you..

If you really want to know...check out the web on Katrina. Here was a regional weather created emergency.

*Contrary to govt. reports...eye witnesses reported that many craft fired upon were fired upon by uniformed personel.

*The feds used this to justify odering the local police to deputize the Army and Marines due to newly authorizing changes in the Posse comitatus act.

*Under this FEMA regime the federal govt. is empowered to interject its forces on the local community if it feels local law enforcement can't handle the situatation. An example was the LA riots after the Rodney King verdict. The feds considered declaring martial law in order to empower it to take over LA. They obviously did not.

Katrina
*Army and Marine personel began going house to house confiscating all private weapons.

*A nearby convention center held hundreds if not 1000's of men, women and children without food, medical care or facilities for days. They were held against their will by the army who had set road blocks and Interstate check points and simply forced inhabitants to stay inside.

*As we all discuss this, it is very possible we are going to have any number of terrorist attacks both cyber and murderous that just may have this admin. declare martial law in effect for the entire country.

*Many have suggested that any level or number of attacks timed just before this election could present the opportunity to do just that and suspend the constitution and cancel the elections in Nov.

The stars are aligned and it is very possible but maybe not yet as most of this power has existed since the Clinton years and before, so I am not so sure. FEMA was created not by law but by executive order in the 1979 to insure the continuing operation of the federal govt in case of war or national emergency. It does not prescribe what kind of govt.

In addition, FEMA does have operating, staffed and remodeled camps all over the country representing a capacity of an estimated 3 million or more. This has been going on since 1997. FEMA spends 90% of its money on these camps.

All of this plays right into the plan of the NWO (new world order) crowd and it has been suggested...the agenda of the Bilderberg Group.

The Bilderberg Group or Bilderberg conference is an unofficial annual invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of influence in the fields of business, media and politics.
 
The declared purpose of the Bilderberg Group was to make a common political line tie between the United States of America and Europe in their opposition to the USSR and the global communist threat to their common monetary interests.

They met 'locally' (Chantilly, Va.) in the first week of June and they blocked off several roads many blocks away. You needed an invite or a helicopter to get even a look at the Marriot they used.

Let's see what happens as it was leaked that bombing of Iran by the US or Isreal is out...off the board It would be a devistating blow to industrial economies from the resulting possible doubling of oil prices among other factors.

SO...a twenty year old Patriot act and a new i-Patriot act...absolutely. Killing the net under such a takeover would be first order of business. BUT, there will be a big debate on this in congress I think...I hope.


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RE: Taking away the internet - 8/9/2008 8:34:15 PM   
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Let's all vote for McCain--because he was against torture before he was for it.

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