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slaveboyforyou -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/9/2008 8:53:09 PM)

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If you really want to know...check out the web on Katrina. Here was a regional weather created emergency.


Based on the completely false accusations you've made about events surrounding the Katrina disaster and so-called FEMA concentration camps, I'd say you found this info on sites run by guys like Mark (Mark from Michigan) Koernke and the other New World Order conspiracy nutters. 

The Marines did not go to New Orleans, and the Army did not go house to house confiscating weapons.  The local police confiscated a few weapons from people in boats and in cars.  It may have been improper, but it was hardly a NWO training exercise. 

FEMA does not operate camps all over the country that can house 3 million people.  I can't believe there are people that are still falling for that horse manure.  Stop listening to guys like "Mark from Michigan."



slavebianca -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/9/2008 9:18:35 PM)

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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FEMA does not operate camps all over the country that can house 3 million people.  I can't believe there are people that are still falling for that horse manure.  Stop listening to guys like "Mark from Michigan."



Google "FEMA and REX 84" and tell me that they don't exist.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 3:48:00 AM)

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Google "FEMA and REX 84" and tell me that they don't exist.


Okay, I did it.  Now....THEY DON"T EXIST.  Why did you think a google search that turns up conspiracy theory websites would convice me?  You can google "men in black", UFO's, "black helicopters", "Zionist Occupational Government (ZOG)", blah, blah, blah.....and you'll come up with a plethora of loony-tune, paranoid, conspiracy theory nutter websites too.  I have heard all this conspiracy theory nonsense before.  It's horse manure.



camille65 -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 4:23:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

It hasn't disrupted any ones life in this Country except those who tend to do harm to the citizens of this Country. If you can't site even one example in the last 5 years I don't see how it harmed you..


Here you go:
I cannot revert to my maiden name (I am divorced) unless I go to my state police and get fingerprinted.
Never in my life have I been fingerprinted and it is not going to happen now. I've never had a moving violation or any sort of run in with the law.

It is part of the Real ID Act, to eventually obtain a copy of every citizens fingerprint even if they are an ordinary law abiding citizen.

I'm stuck with an ugly last name that I hated even before I married!

It may seem minor to you but it is not minor to me. Why should my fingerprints be entered into a national data base simply because I want to revert to my maiden name?



Lorr47 -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 6:21:14 AM)

Just typing in "Patriot Act" in a search engine produced over 200,000 hits.  Just the first two hits criticised the Act both as to its implementation and its constitutionality.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4756403

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2003/09/14/StateLocal/Critics.Cite.Patriot.Act.Abuse.And.Misuse-465391.shtml

You could argue that you do not like the people affected.  However, when the powers that be decide that they do not like your lifestyle and use the Act against you, then what? It is hard enough to defend citizens against charges brought pursuant to statutes clearly prohibiting a specific conduct, what are attorneys supposed to do when you are charged under the Patriot Act and the Act is clearly not applicable?  Punt?  Are you willing to be the football-the test case that can take decades to resolve even though clearly erroneous?  If so, you are clearly more civic minded than me.  That Act scares me.



MmeGigs -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 6:53:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
They can do all of those things. It is illigal though without a FISA court order issued by a federal judge..


No, it used to be illegal without a FISA court order.  The Patriot Act took FISA out of the loop in some instances.  It really tried to take the judiciary system out of the loop completely in any number of circumstances.  People who wrongfully ended up on lists are finding that they have no legal recourse at all. 



Lorr47 -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 7:18:36 AM)



ORIGINAL: servantforuse
They can do all of those things. It is illigal though without a FISA court order issued by a federal judge..

MmeGigs is oh so right as this exerpt from an NPR post indicates:

"National security letters" are a type of administrative subpoena that can be used by the FBI in intelligence investigations without judicial approval. It allows FBI agents to seize financial records, communications information and other personal documents, by drafting a letter stating that the information being sought is relevant to a national security investigation. Section 505 of the Patriot Act expanded the government's authority to use the procedure."On an unknown date, the government used this authority to obtain records from an Internet service provider. In April 2004, the ACLU sued on behalf of the service provider, arguing that the seizure violated the First and Fourth Amendments. Last September, a federal judge in New York upheld the challenge. The judge found that the way the letters are executed is coercive, and recipients are not allowed to challenge the orders."

Now, suppose the government wrote a National Security Letter in order to read all the posts and e mail from this site.  There would be no court scrutiny; no warrant.    The internet provider  has few options, obey, or spend a ton of money.  The persons on this site would not have a hint the search is occurring; until, that is, when your boss, co workers, relatives start asking you what "Collar Me" is.  I am sure Servantfor use has an expectation of privacy.




MmeGigs -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 7:36:33 AM)

I don't think that any of this is surprising.  I guess I'd be surprised to learn they didn't have this kind of thing in their pocket.  They've got plans for attacking pretty much any country on earth, plans for things we don't want to think about and hope we'll never have to know about. 

China is proving that it's not all that difficult to take away the internet.  It wouldn't be that tough to get all US ISPs to block certain stuff.  They block stuff now, like traffic from ISPs known to tolerate spam and hackers.  It wouldn't be that tough to get people to go along with it, they way they went along with the Patriot Act.  Fear can make people do silly things.  I'm sure that there are folks who will find a ways around the restrictions, but your average computer user won't.  I'd like to think that we'd catch on before it got too bad, but I'm not so sure.  The courts are often our only recourse when it comes to this stuff, but they're being politicized and marginalized to a scary degree these days. 




nejisty -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 9:05:50 AM)

  We did not know about certain groups of men in the military being used as guinea pigs for drug testing until years later.  We did not know about the *other life* some Presidents had while in office until years later.  Because of technology we can find these things out days after or as they are happening.  Of course they want to control it. 
    The Gov't is insidiously taking away our rights. What we  are allowed to see in the front window is not what is going on in the back room.  We don't realize the potential for harm because it is not done in one big event. 
While I was growing up I was able to drive motorcycles, snowmobiles, trucks, cars, boats, tractors on any road or waterway necessary to get from one place to another, and specifically on our own land.  I was able to shoot guns on our own property without worry.  Now you have to have permits, license and insurance even on your own property.  They can come onto your land for any reason and go through your belongings.   We are especially vulnerable here because we live on the boundary river shared with Canada. We have homeland security, border patrol, city and county officers, dnr and possible others I am not aware of right here in town. 
  I found it so hypocrital of Bush to reprimand China the opening day of the Olympics, when our own Gov't is doing the same thing they are criticizing other countries for.    
  I received an email once that describes this situation perfectly and I will try find it again and post it here.   nejisty



pahunkboy -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 9:47:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

It hasn't disrupted any ones life in this Country except those who tend to do harm to the citizens of this Country. If you can't site even one example in the last 5 years I don't see how it harmed you..


Here you go:
I cannot revert to my maiden name (I am divorced) unless I go to my state police and get fingerprinted.
Never in my life have I been fingerprinted and it is not going to happen now. I've never had a moving violation or any sort of run in with the law.

It is part of the Real ID Act, to eventually obtain a copy of every citizens fingerprint even if they are an ordinary law abiding citizen.

I'm stuck with an ugly last name that I hated even before I married!

It may seem minor to you but it is not minor to me. Why should my fingerprints be entered into a national data base simply because I want to revert to my maiden name?



Hugs!  But hun, just do it.  They know all about you. Just do it.   Just as a print can prove you guilty it can prove you innocent- or not invovled.   Via your date of birth all of us are known.

Now on the flip side of the name thing-  mom complained as now there are 3 other ms jones-skis due to ex-wives.  LOL- so if one gets into a snafu the family name is brought up.  LOL.

But back to you. You are already on record as your maden name as an "aka".

This holds you in a prison to the past to you ex. If it were me- I would reclaim my birthname, a finger print would not stop me.



thornhappy -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/10/2008 2:06:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

It hasn't disrupted any ones life in this Country except those who tend to do harm to the citizens of this Country. If you can't site even one example in the last 5 years I don't see how it harmed you..


Here you go:
I cannot revert to my maiden name (I am divorced) unless I go to my state police and get fingerprinted.
Never in my life have I been fingerprinted and it is not going to happen now. I've never had a moving violation or any sort of run in with the law.

It is part of the Real ID Act, to eventually obtain a copy of every citizens fingerprint even if they are an ordinary law abiding citizen.

I'm stuck with an ugly last name that I hated even before I married!

It may seem minor to you but it is not minor to me. Why should my fingerprints be entered into a national data base simply because I want to revert to my maiden name?


Here's another:  you have to show a government-issued ID to buy any product containing pseudephedrine.  That comes from the Patriot Act, according to Target's signs.  So yeah, I've been affected.

thornhappy



nejisty -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/17/2008 9:13:16 AM)

 A college Professor asked his class how they saw the United States.
A foreign exchange student raised his hand and replied:
  
   It reminds me of the way we would catch wild pigs in my country.  We would start by picking a spot and laying down feed.  Every day we would put out feed and the pigs would come.  When they got used to coming, we would put up one side of fence.  They would look at the fence warily but continue to come for the feed.  When they were used to that fence we would put up another.  Again they would look at it warily but they could still get to the feed so they did not worry about it for long.  The third side of fence went up.  The feed was more enticing then worrying about the fence.  When they were used to the third fence we put up a fourth.  When they realized they were trapped it was to late.   That is what I see the Gov't doing in the United States. 

    I could not find the original email but I remember reading it and it struck a cord that allowed me to remember the basics of what it said.      nejisty



DomDolf -> RE: Taking away the Internet (8/17/2008 11:22:17 AM)

Somewhat unrelated, but the email that gets you thinking is meant to get you to pass it on and all the names and email addresses can be collected and used to spam your account. These emotional guns are usually BS. If you try to find the person that the emails are referring to and asked them if this was true, I pretty much guarantee that a large majority will prove false. I would like to speak to the foreign exchange student described here.

Dolf



mastervalentine -> RE: Taking away the internet (8/17/2008 11:40:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: L8bloomer

Legislate the internet?

The internet is global, n'est-çe pas? So how does the American government plan to legislate a global entity?



By handing out identification cards, blacklisting (through the companies that provide internet service directly) websites because they are somehow deemed harmful to the "American way of life" and carefully monitoring data transfer transactions.

It's really not hard to do once you control the service providers. Sad thing is, without having men on the inside, it would be impossible to bypass. Assuming you did, they'd know.

We can't control what the rest of the world does, but we can control what Americans are seeing.

I am reminded of a teacher talking about an auto race the US and Russia had once. The Russians lost, but wrote in the news that they came in second place, while the US came in second to last. Technically accurate. Nice spin on the story.

Control the media, control the minds.

Dasvidania



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