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Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 8:35:12 AM   
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A friend of mine has recently been dealing with this question and as i have never experienced a relationship between two Dominants both of whom are operating as a top in relationship to each other i had no words of wisdom for him.  So i was wondering as i know that there are posters here who are in that kind of relationship, if any of you would be willing to explain how this works for you. He is running into a lot of butting heads between the two of them because they both want to be in charge. If any of you have dealt with that, it would be really helpful to hear from you.

Also i personally wonder if in a relationship between two D-types is the "norm" for one to be more submissive towards the other, or do both still act as a D-type in relationship to the other person in the relationship. (By that i don't mean something like Micheal and BSB where both are Dominants but in relationship to Michael BSB is submissive, but Dominant to others).

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 9:02:45 AM   
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Just a guess here, but I would think they work just like "non-D/s" relationships work (or not work)... complete equals.  Lots of head-butting and vying for who will be in charge until somebody comes out on top.  

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 9:05:57 AM   
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If they were in a top relationship with each other would they both not be Switches?

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 9:22:22 AM   
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Guess i didn't explain it well, but to answer the question, no neither is a switch.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 9:59:26 AM   
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There are a couple threads about this over in the Ask A Master forum...sorry, I fail at linkage, so you'll have to search.  They're pretty recent, though.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 10:28:38 AM   
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Thank you, i will go look.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 10:31:05 AM   
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I live in this situation, and have for the past 6 years, since I earned my crop. For a while, we had three dominants in the household -- two females and a male -- with none of us submitting to any of the other dominant members.

My Darling is a domina, as am I. We don't submit to each other, but she is more rigid than I am, so I tend to let go of stuff that isn't important to me and she gets the "win" on those issues. That being said, when there -is- something I feel strongly about, my choice typically gets the weight, only because I save my energy for the stuff that is really important to me, so she knows I'm not asking just for kicks. It's a give and take, and even more so for people who are accustomed to being in charge of the decision-making process, but over the years we've managed to work it out so neither of us feels slighted, and so that we know how to manage situations so that both of us end up happy most of the time.

It is -really- interesting having a household with 4 dominant personalities under the roof (both of our grown girls still live with us while they're in school, and both are also dominant). Sometimes not much gets done -- it's like giving in to give up and do it when nobody else is -obviously- going to do it, and there are days that -nobody- wants to be the one to give in and just -do- whatever icky thing is on the agenda. Right now, the bone of contention is laundry, which -all- of us hate, and I'm holding out until I only have one clean outfit to wear to work... and that's final (I just hope I have more clothes left than my Darling or my daughter!!!). *LOL*

On the other hand, my Darling and I are compatible for dominants -- the areas where I am less strong she's very good at, and the areas where she is less skilled I am good at. We don't share fetishes, but we -do- share servants. Sometimes it works out great -- sometimes it's a PITA, just like any other relationship. Sometimes our territorial natures get on one another's nerves and we just need some space. We do things together, but we also go out and do stuff by ourselves. We treat one another with affection and courtesy.

One big difference for us is that my Darling and I have a profound relationship, but we're not lovers in the physical sense. I'm bi, but she is more straight than bi, so while we love one another dearly, when she's interested in sex, she looks outside the relationship for sexual expression, but she gets her intimacy with me, because opening up emotionally and spiritually is very challenging for her, so she tends to gravitate to where she is known and comfortable for intimacy.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 10:39:39 AM   
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I guess it wouldnt be the kinks but love bringing them together. So the keyword is : mutual respect.
Are they going to have problems? Sure every couple has..

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 10:57:28 AM   
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There really is not enough information posted on Dom couple relationships, and it confuses people at times how it really works.

Nobody tossed me a guide on this, and it was something me and her had to figure out on our own.   

In terms of what I have to share based on my experience, please keep a few things in mind.

1. Two extroverted Dominant personalities
2. Both being SadoMaso in nature. 
3. Both with a Smart Ass sense of humor.

Now.....

Submission was tossed out of equation and replaced with a mutual understanding, that neither one of us would ever submit to one another in the relationship.

We both would ask (even in rude joking ways) each other to do things for one another.  Keep in mind many times we actually mocked or made fun of D/s relationships while interacting with one another.

Quick Example:
If I were to say "Be a good little girl and fetch me a Pepsi out of the fridge."  I might expect a smart ass comment back such as "Do you want it over your head or up your ass?" while she's standing there holding the can pepsi she just fetched for me from the fridge.  Now, I might make a smart ass remark back such as "Depends upon what head you have in mind and does a blow job come with it?" 

Mind you, this verbal back and fourth really is just play (verbal humilation or whatever).   For one it's a constant reminder that neither party is submissive and also that both are Dominants.  Plus, it's an outlet for vebal fun abuse of one another.  Keep in mind both people have to have a sense of humor.  Be able to dish out insults as well as take them.

Also, it's best to toss in the words "please" and "thank you" at various points in time.  Little verbal reassurances that should mean a lot to anybody.

Art of Debate
Now one thing me and her did a lot of at times, was sit down and debate about things. Ranging from serious to not so serious things.  Basically, looking to find common ground in a matter of what was going on.

I still remember the debate we had over redecorating the living room.  Instead of it being one sided in favor of either party, we discovered what we both enjoyed together.  This is not so much an issue of compromise as it is, finding the common ground that makes both happy.

Now at times her and I would drive some of our friends crazy!  We got asked why we fought so much all the time.  You have to be good at dealing with Head Butting and talking through it.  Again, I stress you have to be good at Butting head and talking though it.

BOTH people have to have a desire to find the Common Ground, or a system of Level/Even compromises.  At times, it's best to work with as many options as you can.  

Fair Method of Resolution
For Instance, there were times when her and I would debate about where to go out for Dinner.  Now, we both enjoyed many of the same places for the most part.  However, at times we'd butt heads, or were stuck trying to decide.  

Coin Tossing
We used to use Coin Flips to settle Grid lock head butts.   The concept really is simple.  It's kind of like Drawing Sticks. Hell, you can even do that if you like.  However, not everybody is carrying sticks or straws around on them.

For some strange reason we started using coin tosses, and it was a mutual understanding between us.   However, we both have to agree to use a "Coin Toss" to resolve whatever it was.  Case by Case basis. 

We simply worked out mean to resolve things between us.   Now we'd literally drive some of our friends crazy at times, them listening to use Debate and Flip Coins and stuff.

In short if we could not find middle or common ground, we had a tool to fall back on.

Bartering
One Cavet to mention....  If neither party is willing to settle the matter with a coin toss and there's not middle ground.  All else fails, somebody has to consider compromise, or you can enter into Bartering over the matter.   I'll let you have it your way, if you let me have something else my way.  Even Trade off.

Don't take it Personally
This is probally one of the single pieces of advice, Don't take everything said or done personally.  Realize you are dealing with another Dominant Personality that will assert themselves, thier wants, wishes and desires.  You have to be prepared to take it as well as dish it out with one another.

If your partner requests something of you and you comply, this by no means makes you submissive.  It simply means you are doing something for somebody you care about.   A Dom couple relationship is an Equal give and take relationship.

Loose thoughts
Again, I stress in many regards we mocked D/s in a manner to remind on another that we both were Doms.  Be it the exchange of loving verbal humilation, or fluid play between us.   However, there were a lot of loving reminders and praised shoved into the middle of things as well.

Perhaps some of the craziest shit I've even done in life, happened in this one relationship.  In terms of Power flirting with others, or teaming up on other people for practical jokes and mind fucks.   Also, in how we played together.   We actually used to get into food fights, water gun fights, shaving cream fights leading to all kinds of bathroom supplies being used up.

Play was questionable switchy, however we avoided trying to play out D/s during play.  Meaning neighter one of us treated each other like a slave in the bedroom.

Tit for Tat
The Concept of  Mutual "Tit for Tat" worked really well.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tit+for+tat

Like I said, be able to take it as well as dish it out.

Here's a interesting read on Tit for Tat... that you can get a better idea of how it works in a Dom Couple relationship.  Mind you this link covers "Game play" theory, however there's notes about it in social use as well...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tit+for+tat

The Tit for Tat model results for the evolution of co-operative behaviour. 

Maintaining Self Control
The whole concept of DOMs being in control of themselves is very important.  It's not a good thing to loose self control, because the moment you do, the other person has the control.  Not everybody is perfect there are moment, when you will loose control, and the same is said for the other party.  Just rememer to respect the other person as being a Dominant human being.

Whew.............  I still don't think I've bang out enough on this...


These things I'm sharing with you, is how it applied to my one Dom couple relationship... I hope this is somewhat useful..

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 11:33:42 AM   
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Thank you very much, very useful indeed.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 11:51:21 AM   
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A long thread on the topic here:  http://www.collarchat.com/m_2018824/mpage_1/tm.htm

I won't reiterate what I posted there, except to say that it is like any good vanilla relationship; a certain amount of give and take is required.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 12:19:43 PM   
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Thank you, had looked at the thread and also have forwarded to the friend in question both that thread and this one.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 12:29:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

Also i personally wonder if in a relationship between two D-types is the "norm" for one to be more submissive towards the other, or do both still act as a D-type in relationship to the other person in the relationship. (By that i don't mean something like Micheal and BSB where both are Dominants but in relationship to Michael BSB is submissive, but Dominant to others).

Oh...(Erases post...)  I got nothin' then...

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 7:53:33 PM   
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Well technically Master and I are both Dominants though similar to BSB and Michael. So all I will add is this little tip which helps us keep Jay from Domming Master. If He thinks that's happening, He makes a little comment like "Are your capitals showing?" or "Have you put your top hat on?" It stops me in my tracks and yet isn't confronting or hurtful.  

So for the OPs friend ... it might be a handy little hint for them BOTH to use!

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 8:24:00 PM   
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it comes down to personas  type a or type b  there is still a pecking order no matter what you say  more like nilla skill sets lol
who is the bread winner who pays the bills who takes care of ums 

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/6/2008 8:43:04 PM   
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My spouse and I are a two-D household.  Really it's not any more of a problem than interacting with anyone who's not submissive to me... the things we don't need to work out together, we make our own decisions on.  The things we both need to give input on, we both do so and then decide what's the best route to go:  his way, my way, or some way we came up with together.

The "head butting" thing really isn't a dominant issue, in my experience/opinion.  It's a maturity issue.  Mature adults in a relationship (friendship, romantic, co-workers, et cetera), when one is not "in charge", do not try to overpower one another or "get their way"... these are things children do.

Rather, they acknowledge that their friend, lover, spouse, cousin, or project-partner has every right to their own opinions, desires, needs, and choices regardless of whether or not they agree with them.  With anyone close to you that you aren't "in charge" of, as an adult you have to be able to say about some things, "I don't agree/like that, but I don't have to".

Romance-wise, if you find someone you're compatible with in all the important issues the rest is "where do the dishes go in the kitchen" or "I thing this picture should hang over here".  And if you can't work that out without "butting heads", I'd say there's a lot of growing up to do; it's not a 2-dominants-together problem.

People in any close relationship are going to have differences to work out, but lack of basic respect is what we're really talking about here.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/7/2008 4:56:15 AM   
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Thank you for responding, and i'm glad that you didn't mind that i referenced you and Michael, i think you two are a wonderful example.

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/7/2008 5:02:20 AM   
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Lots of good stuff above and in the linked posts, but I will add one thing on how my D/D relationship worked:  When we really butted heads on something, we would give it an "importance ranting" from 1 to 10.  Let's say she wanted to get sushi and I wanted to get Italian, if either of us really cared enough, we would say our "rating" and then the other would think about it and give theirs.  It worked well because neither of us used it as a tool to manipulate the other, just as a way of defining how important something was.

I always thought that worked rather gracefully in our relationship...
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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/7/2008 6:04:03 AM   
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i want to thank all of you for your very helpful comments i have forwarded this thread to my friend. i do see some difference between the butting of heads He is running into and y'all have mentioned, His are on issues like He is poly and she is monogamous, as well as the day to day things. From reading the comments, it seems that as long as there is basic compatibility of goals and core issues a D/D relationship can work with some tweaking, but if some of that basic compatibility is missing, that it is most likely not going to work long term.

Thank you all again,

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RE: Do or how do relationships between two D-types work? - 8/7/2008 7:20:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

it comes down to personas  type a or type b  there is still a pecking order no matter what you say  more like nilla skill sets lol
who is the bread winner who pays the bills who takes care of ums 


Hmmm. that would be a little hard to determine in our household. Both my Darling and I are 'breadwinners'. We make almost exactly the same amount at our jobs, and split the cost of running the house, except for what our now-grown daughters contribute for their share of the expenses. When we still had UMs, we split the care. We always had at least one UM of each of ours in the household at any given time. Pecking order -- yeah, I think there is one... whichever one it bothers more gets to "peck" first.

I guess this is why nobody knows what to do with us. *LOL*

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