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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/2/2008 8:43:52 PM   
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Somehow, I can see getting blamed for all this

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/2/2008 8:48:16 PM   
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That's the sound of the men workin' on the BLAME gang

(my, my,... my work is so hard...give me water....I'm thirsty, my dear)

Sam Cooke 

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/2/2008 8:50:54 PM   
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LOL..... thanks I was geting confused

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/2/2008 9:02:22 PM   
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All Along The Watchtower

"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

Bob Zimmerman, Hibbing, Minnesota circa 1968

Woodie Guthrie

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/2/2008 9:58:51 PM   
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Can we get a cleanup in aisle six please?

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/2/2008 10:02:52 PM   
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LA's fine, sunshine most of the time
The feeling is laid back
Palm trees grow and the rents are low
But you know I keep thinking about
Making my way back

Well, I'm New York City born and raised
But nowadays, I'm lost between two shores
LA's fine, but it ain't home
New York's home but it ain't mine no more

I am, I said
To no one there
And no one heard at all
Not even the chair
I am, I cried
I am, said I
And I am lost, and I can't even say why
Leavin' me lonely still

Did you ever read about a frog who dreamed of being a king
And then became one
Well, except for the names and a few other changes
If you talk about me, the story's the same one

But I got an emptiness deep inside
And I've tried but it won't let me go
And I'm not a man who likes to swear
But I've never cared for the sound of being alone

I am, I said
To no one there
And no one heard at all
Not even the chair
I am, I cried
I am, said I
And I am lost, and I can't even say why

I am, I said
I am, I cried
I am...

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/3/2008 3:19:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

Palm trees grow and the rents are low


You know that shit wasn't written just yesterday.

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/3/2008 2:02:10 PM   
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quote:

elleelisa, I identify 100% with how you feel. I am single, work a full-time job, take care of lots of pets (animal rescue work), and own my own home. Everything is up to me. My daily life requires me to make all of the decisions, do all of the work, and rely only on myself. Yet the idea of having a man under my shoe begging to please me makes my stomach turn (no offense to you male subs or female Dommes!!).

I think the hardest thing for me so far has been that many Doms want/expect a "service" submissive. That title, to me, means one who keeps the house clean, prepares his dinner, his bath, etc., and just generally makes his life more comfortable by providing domestic service. I think it's also referred to as "1950's Household." At least, that's what I take it for.

But for someone who has a good-paying job, her own home, and who has established her own way of life at the age of 41, the service part of submission sometimes just isn't feasible. Regardless of how much I want to please a Dominant, there just isn't enough time or energy left for that kind of submission at the end of the day.

And yet...as someone who labels herself as a submissive, I WANT to please. I WANT to make my Dom feel safe, secure, comforted, and loved. I WANT to please him by keeping the house in order, running his bath, or massaging his feet. I WANT to let everything go and let him take complete control over what I say and do. But dammit, at the end of the day, I'm tired, sometimes cranky, and want someone to rub MY feet! What kind of submission is there in that? That's where I falter. Am I submissive in reality, or is it just the thought that makes my heart race?

The sad truth is that being an independent, self-sufficient person AND a submissive can be a difficult balancing act in the real world. So yes, I identify with you completely, and I hope that you are able to find that perfect balance between what you must do (work, pay bills, etc.) and what you want to do, which is to hand yourself over to a strong, capable, loving, Dominant man.


Haha, okay this describes me to a T-- every single thing you wrote I completely agree with and have experienced.

I'm a full-time college student with an average of 22 units on her plate/quarter; I'm a musician who needs to practice appx. 2 hours/day; I work TWO jobs; I have friendships and hobbies; I'm preparing to audition for grad school, etc.....

There's no way I could be a 24/7 slave, even if the idea makes my heart melt, and there's no way I could just blow off everything in my life that's already established (see the above) so how am I supposed to do it?  I AM submissive, but being submissive with respect to all my other obligations leaves me wondering if I could ever satisfy a Master the way he would need to be.

Also, I wonder if I would be satisfied being someone's sub because I also have needs and constraints (not literal ones, hehe) For example, I was once talking to this Dom on the phone for a period of time, and he would call me at night and want me to obey his commands via phone, and I didn't want to disspoint so I did it, but I kept thinking, "Dude... I have to finish analyzing a concerto, wake up at 6am and perform an aria at 9.  I can't be on the phone with you for 3 hours masterbating."



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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/3/2008 2:04:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: restlessdreamer

Can we get a cleanup in aisle six please?


Yep... seriously.  This is turning into beatnik poetry hour.

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/3/2008 2:16:22 PM   
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But it is ever so entertaining!

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/4/2008 7:22:37 PM   
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Why do you feel like you have to fit other people's conceptions of what you are, why don't you just be who you are, and find a guy (Dom/sub/switch) who fits that?

I would recommend if you are so unsure, try being Dominant once. If you hate it, you're not a Dominant. You like it, you might be a switch. But all those things are just labels. Not to get into linguistic theory, but these labels carry only as much value as you and/or the societies which you chose to associate with tend to give them. Honestly, no one neatly falls into any of these categories in all ways. Its labor intensive being that much of an archetype.

Additionally, you're young, you can always change your mind.

As for the douchebag who blocked you when you said you weren't up for a long term relationship... great! One less mistake to waste your time with.

There are 6 billion people in this world, I'd reckon mathematically there is at least one who fits all the specifications you've listed. But you can always speed up finding someone by loosening your overall requirements - I'm sure you'll find a guy 90% faster if you drop your requirement that you want to cum first. But seriously, stick to your guns. You don't sound like you're asking for something mythical.

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/4/2008 10:01:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: elleelisa

I'm a full-time college student with an average of 22 units on her plate/quarter; I'm a musician who needs to practice appx. 2 hours/day; I work TWO jobs; I have friendships and hobbies; I'm preparing to audition for grad school, etc.....

There's no way I could be a 24/7 slave, even if the idea makes my heart melt, and there's no way I could just blow off everything in my life that's already established (see the above) so how am I supposed to do it?  I AM submissive, but being submissive with respect to all my other obligations leaves me wondering if I could ever satisfy a Master the way he would need to be.

Also, I wonder if I would be satisfied being someone's sub because I also have needs and constraints (not literal ones, hehe) For example, I was once talking to this Dom on the phone for a period of time, and he would call me at night and want me to obey his commands via phone, and I didn't want to disspoint so I did it, but I kept thinking, "Dude... I have to finish analyzing a concerto, wake up at 6am and perform an aria at 9.  I can't be on the phone with you for 3 hours masterbating."




elleelisa, when you are taking classes, when you are working, when you are practicing your music, you are giving of yourself.  When you get a Dom that appreciates your gifts and the efforts you spend in working them, then that time WILL be in serving him, albeit indirectly.

Serving is not all about sex and bowing.


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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/4/2008 10:02:09 PM   
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Well some of my other requirements are a little more specific... I really want a guy with pointy ears, a tail who ONLY wears green....

[is that mythical enough]


I totally agree with you though-- and well, I don't ALWAYS have to cum first, though it would be a nice change.

A new question for the panel:  if you feel unsure about a guy or a situation, should you back out or give it a chance? 

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/4/2008 10:29:11 PM   
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Elleelisa,
You sound just like me! I too got annoyed at Dom's demands and am a control freak. I avoided meeting Doms and had a long list of things I wouldn't do. I was very much in control ("topping from the bottom") of every encounter and I dropped any Dom that didn't fall in line with exactly what I wanted. It took me awhile to figure out that I wasn't actually a sub.

I think part of the reason that I couldn't accept that I was a Domme was the way I was raised to think about myself as a women-being submissive to a husband. Also, since I am a control freak, I was always made to think that I should want someone to sweep me off my feet, to make life easier, to give up to. I had to experience it to know that I really didn't want to give up to anyone. It wasn't that I haddn't found the right person...it was that surrender just isn't in my vocabulary.

Sometimes you just have to try things out and see how you feel about it. A lot of things sound hotter in your head then they are IRL. And some subs are control freaks. Some people find it easier (maybe because of societal expectations) to be a sub when they really aren't. In other words-experience will teach you what you need to know about yourself.



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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/7/2008 2:38:04 PM   
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elleelisa,

"back out or give it a chance," what an impossible question. Generally, trust your gut. I've learned to trust my doubts more often, because usually they are the early warning signs that I'm in for some sort of crazy farther down the line. But that is so individualized! I tend to be intuitive, and in my wise old age, have gotten pretty good instincts for situations.

When I was younger, though, I probably erred more often on not giving people enough of a chance on first meeting, and too much of a chance once I was seeing someone. You hone this judge of situations and character from experience (though reading and listening to second hand stories also improve upon this skill)

You may or may not realize it, but this question is every bit about knowing yourself as it is about knowing the guy in question or situation!

But I will say, with BDSM in particular, if you have questions, err on the side of caution because otherwise innocuous dysfunctions in vanilla relationships can become quite dangerous when equipped with bondage instruments and floggers - I just recently was chatting with a sub who was/is on this site who spent a week in the hospital due to misjudgment of character and not heeding warning signs! (though to the BDSM community's defense, while she was an avowed sub, I'm not 100% sure it was someone who identified themselves as BDSM)

Anyways, if you need any more specific advice, feel free to message me. You seem like a sweet girl who is undergoing lots of self discovery.

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/7/2008 3:37:22 PM   
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i'll just add that most subs are perfectionist control freaks.


Oops! You missed capitalizing the beginning of your sentence there.  We're what now?

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/7/2008 3:39:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

i'll just add that most subs are perfectionist control freaks.


Oops! You missed capitalizing the beginning of your sentence there.  We're what now?


Which is also why it can be beyond amusing to neck chain one to a wall,and force her to mess in a diaper.

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/7/2008 3:53:51 PM   
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Again with the diaper! What if she just refuses and then gets all bound up...while bound up...?

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/7/2008 3:55:32 PM   
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Again with the diaper! What if she just refuses and then gets all bound up...while bound up...?


"enema"

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RE: Confused about what I "am" exactly - 8/7/2008 4:09:29 PM   
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Leatherist thinks of everything.

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