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Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 4:45:22 PM

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NEW YORK - Here's a couch potato's dream: What if a drug could help you gain some of the benefits of exercise without working up a sweat?

Scientists reported Thursday that there is such a drug — if you happen to be a mouse.

Sedentary mice that took the drug for four weeks burned more calories and had less fat than untreated mice. And when tested on a treadmill, they could run about 44 percent farther and 23 percent longer than untreated mice.

Just how well those results might translate to people is an open question. But someday, researchers say, such a drug might help treat obesity, diabetes and people with medical conditions that keep them from exercising.

"We have exercise in a pill," said Ron Evans, an author of the study. "With no exercise, you can take a drug and chemically mimic it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25949447

A century from now, we'll have athletes that will make Barry Bonds look like Minnie Mouse.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 5:26:31 PM

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Whenever they bring out a miracle drug... I worry. I will wait until people have been using it for ten years and we know the lasting effects, because you can't trust them to tell the truth about their testing. If people don't drop over or have complications, then I might consider it worthwhile for some. Until then... as long as I am not in a chair and gaining 100 pounds a year... I will do it the old fashioned way. Sex is good for all that stuff too.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 5:38:33 PM

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Lockit:

I agree *smiles* look at what the HPV vaccine was thought to do. Now we have thousands of young girls with horrible horrible side effects :(

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 5:46:19 PM

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Whenever they bring out a miracle drug... I worry. I will wait until people have been using it for ten years and we know the lasting effects, because you can't trust them to tell the truth about their testing. If people don't drop over or have complications, then I might consider it worthwhile for some. Until then... as long as I am not in a chair and gaining 100 pounds a year... I will do it the old fashioned way. Sex is good for all that stuff too.

True; virtually every pill we can take has side effects. Science is a wonderful thing, but there are times that doing it the old way is the best.

Especially the sex.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 5:56:45 PM

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Lockit:

I agree *smiles* look at what the HPV vaccine was thought to do. Now we have thousands of young girls with horrible horrible side effects :(

What the eff are you talking about, exactly?

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 6:04:23 PM

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Lockit:

I agree *smiles* look at what the HPV vaccine was thought to do. Now we have thousands of young girls with horrible horrible side effects :(

Actually according to the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#hpv

If you read the link, the vaccine rarely causes any serious side effects. I'd say the side effects are worth the trouble. It's much better than contracting HPV, which is incurable and linked to cervical cancer.

The only people that are opposed to the vaccine are the usual suspects. The New Age, natural medicine promoting loonies and the Christian Right.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 6:06:14 PM

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Has anyone seen that they want to start giving that vaccine to boys, as well?

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 6:33:48 PM

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Lockit:

I agree *smiles* look at what the HPV vaccine was thought to do. Now we have thousands of young girls with horrible horrible side effects :(

The only people that are opposed to the vaccine are the usual suspects. The New Age, natural medicine promoting loonies and the Christian Right.

Hmmmmmmmm... natural medicine primarily anti-allopathic new age loonie - I resemble that remark! I'm also healthier than about 80% of the people that I know, and don't have to constantly buy yet another drug to treat the side effects caused by the drug to treat the side effects caused by the drug to treat the side effects of the drug they give me in the first place for something that coulda been treated without synthetics.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 7/31/2008 6:42:00 PM

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Hmmmmmmmm... natural medicine primarily anti-allopathic new age loonie - I resemble that remark! I'm also healthier than about 80% of the people that I know, and don't have to constantly buy yet another drug to treat the side effects caused by the drug to treat the side effects caused by the drug to treat the side effects of the drug they give me in the first place for something that coulda been treated without synthetics.

Well Georgia, I'm not talking aobut people that use herbs and natural remedies for minor ailments. You know who I mean. People that think chiropractors can cure cancer, or that some Chinese herb concotion given to them by some dude named Moonbeam is better than a trained medical doctor's advice.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 2:15:24 AM

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All well and good, Level, but are the skinnier mice happier and have higher self-esteem than the sedentary mice? How are their social skills? Are they still welcome at cheese festivals or are they now too uptight to have some brie and wine? And are their whiskers still as perky?

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 3:37:14 AM

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All well and good, Level, but are the skinnier mice happier and have higher self-esteem than the sedentary mice? How are their social skills? Are they still welcome at cheese festivals or are they now too uptight to have some brie and wine? And are their whiskers still as perky?

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 8:23:41 AM

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I am and always will be skeptical of anything like this. My theory for good health is to get plenty of nutrients and actually use them. I mean burn them up using your muscles. Of course I don't quite stick to it, but oh well.

Obesity is rampant in the US, and many more are overweight, just not quite obese. Overweight people are more prone to a bunch of diseases like diabetes and heart disease. We know the risks of being overweight, but we don't know the risks of this miracle drug.

If you watch any regular TV, look at all the lawyers advertising that you should call if you have taken such and such drug and experienced harmful side effects, including death. I got a kick out of that one, call us if those pills killed you. Talk about long distance.

Ask your doctor about new ___________ if you are depressed, are constipated, have to pee all the time or any other damn thing. And those commercials are interspersed with the lawyer commercials. And then if you get a settlement, take the annuity, another guy will loan you your own money.

All I know is there is a hell of alot of money changing hands in that racket. Too much money.

While SBFY is right, some people are stupid enough to go to a faith healer for a broken bone, when what they need is a cast or a splint, but doctors are nowhere near infallible. I would have to assume the same is true of naturopaths. Nobody is infallible.

The study was four weeks. That is not long enough to observe the whole life cycle of these mice. It will probably turn out that they will start selling the pills to humans, and those who take it will be the ultimate test, and then the lawyers will be on TV again.

Personally I think veterinarians and animal husbandry professionals should be allowed to work on humans, I would go to one. They have to give an effective diagnosis on a patient that can't even tell them where it hurts. And they push alot less drugs.

If it is too good to be true, guess what.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 8:35:43 AM

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And they push alot less drugs.

Even more reason to see a human doctor

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 12:58:56 PM

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I dunno Term, that whole lift up yer tail and stick the thermostat in your arse thing just seems a little too personal for me.

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 2:23:30 PM

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Smirks @Vendeval, ok that made me giggle, I was thinking of how many people from here would enjoy that:)
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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 3:10:37 PM

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No one has anything good to say about lawyers, until they need one. I digress.........

As a chick, I can see where this new miracle pill will have its attractions. We are inudated with pictures of skinny chicks, it is drilled in our head you must be skinny...that all men want skinny, I can see a whole market of 20 somethings lining up, perhaps probably as young as early teens. Is it their fault, the media or peer pressure? Sometimes good chubby bunny cuddle lov'in beats all, but they are way too young to appreciate that concept. A sad reality, but unfortunately, it is today's reality.

And all lawyer jokes aside.......we all live in glass houses. There are one or two out there with morals..(laughs)

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 3:20:32 PM

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That could make for a whole new type of scene. Taking your "pet" to the vet! Hold still puppy boy, this thermometer is bigger than the last one.

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Smirks @Vendeval, ok that made me giggle, I was thinking of how many people from here would enjoy that:)
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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 3:26:59 PM

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Im planning a scene right now:) heeeee

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 4:07:47 PM

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Do tell now!

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RE: Health in a pill? - 8/1/2008 4:16:11 PM

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Just heard the 'inventor' of this drug on the radio. He obviously wanted to downplay the media hype about a miracle sofa tubular dream. He thinks the drug (once it's been tested thoroughly on humans: any volunteers out there?) would be particularly useful for people who are bed ridden, or with conditions such as muscular dystrophy.

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