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RE: Bush = Truman on Foreign Policy? - 7/30/2008 3:36:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I respectfully disagree Ken. I don't think you have much to back up your assertion.

My thinking is that the refugee problems occur primarily when lower educated people, from the lower parts of a society give up in hopelessness.

I don't think the problems in Iraq are as hopeless as you portray, either. There are still millions of Sunni in Iraq, in regions and towns and cities where they are the majority.

Firm

And the non displaced aren't terribly likely to produce terrorists, assuming the nation is partitioned to keep the Shi'a from oppressing the Sunni or the eventual leader is as vicious as Saddam. But the ones who lost everything and never get back on their feet?

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RE: Bush = Truman on Foreign Policy? - 7/30/2008 3:38:27 PM

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I'm confused philo. You seem to be agreeing with the author's assertion, not disagreeing.

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.....i think, that what happened in 2005 was that Ms Rice got a bit off message for a bit. She's an intelligent, educated woman. It wouldn't take someone long in that job to see that US policy in the ME was based on a false paradigm that wasn't working. Problem is, that paradigm is well connected.
i don't really see GWB's policy in the ME as being any fundamentally different than the policy for the preceding 60 years. Ms Rice may have identified the problem, but seems unable to do much about it. The GWB policy is essentially based on the same paradigms that have held sway before, just expressed a bit more directly.

It's not a partisan issue. It's to do with what sort of foreign policy plays to the US electorate.....and that takes us into some even more tenuous ground........

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RE: Bush = Truman on Foreign Policy? - 7/30/2008 7:19:05 PM

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General reply on the number of refugees and where they are living -

The total estimate is 1.5 - 2.1 million persons, living in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Egypt.

A detailed report is available here, see Section 1:2, page 8 of 38 for the statistics.

http://www.theirc.org/resources/2008/iraq_report.pdf

Source: U.N. High Commission for Refugees, February 2008:
http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/joh022608a.pdf

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