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Help - 7/22/2008 11:57:26 AM

jlf1961

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This may sound stupid, but considering the vast stores of knowledge of the members on the boards, it seems like the most logical place to go to maybe find an answer.

I have been researching my ancestry, and have come across something peculiar.

From about 1000 thru 1490 two branches seem to intermarry every two or three generations. The Male line is welsh and I have traced it so far back that there are no more years of birth, but is just based on oral histories.
The maternal line is the Bolyn line from cornwall.

Does anyone have a clue as to why two lines would have cousins marry every two or three generations. Considering the frequincy of the incidents, it is not by accident.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 11:59:03 AM

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My best guess, would be that it has something to do with past notions of "bloodlines" being kept pure. Much like royalty did for centuries.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 12:11:27 PM

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Maybe, but I have found out one interesting thing about my father's ancestry........

It seems that ALL of them were insubordinate SOB's, two died in the tower of london, three exiled, a couple were executed, publicly. At least one out of every generation had to go and piss off the king of England.

Isnt the 11th commandment, "thou shalt NOT piss off the guy who can have you tortured and then executed"

One more thing, if any of our board members in the UK can find pictures of Shelton Manor in Norfolk, or Shelton Castle, which ever it is, please send them to me, I would appreciate it.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 12:31:42 PM

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They were all hotties?

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 1:00:05 PM

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That was long ago and perhaps there were not many people in easy travelling distance. I would guess travel was hard and dangerous back then. Cousins would look a lot better walking or riding a few miles to see them rather then 25 or 50 for new blood.

I live 36 miles west of St Louis...just 200 years ago I would be in the wilderness and a trip to St Louis would be arduous and time consuming...at least for a farmer.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 1:17:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

This may sound stupid, but considering the vast stores of knowledge of the members on the boards, it seems like the most logical place to go to maybe find an answer.

I have been researching my ancestry, and have come across something peculiar.

From about 1000 thru 1490 two branches seem to intermarry every two or three generations. The Male line is welsh and I have traced it so far back that there are no more years of birth, but is just based on oral histories.
The maternal line is the Bolyn line from cornwall.

Does anyone have a clue as to why two lines would have cousins marry every two or three generations. Considering the frequincy of the incidents, it is not by accident.

WELSH? Well, you're a "CELT".
How (THE HELL) did you manage to go that far back???
The furthest back I could go was 300 years. (Don't fuck with the SCOTS!)
Churches burned (that kept records) cemetarys in Ireland have "stones" because the people were too poor to buy memorials.
If you can go back that far we should talk!

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 1:57:31 PM

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convenience in location, lack of suitable marriage prospects, solidifying alliances between branches of family or land owning nobles, in that time period any would be good reasons for the interbreeding that went on. my own family has a few interesting little twists and turns but i haven't been able to do much searching across the globe, many of the people who knew the ties and the language are gone now. i'm a "mutt" according to my dad, a mish-mash of eastern europe caused by the fluidity of the borders over time. even he couldn't keep track of who was where when.
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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 2:15:51 PM

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Money and land. Keeping it in the family.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 2:19:07 PM

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Good going on getting back that far. I got a family tree with names back to like pre-Christ but not confirmed. Confirmed back to Henry VIII

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 2:24:52 PM

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well wiht 10 siblings- that = 10 x 10 of cousins, and 10 x 10 x 10 2nd cousins. see?

I can only go back to great grandparents. I am thinking of giving my sister all of the family pcitures...[whille I am alive}

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 3:07:51 PM

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I dont know about Hotties, but there are a lot of children of 'unknown' mothers, which is a translation of the term, jumping the maid's bones.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 3:11:12 PM

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Seems to me that families married in those times ,not for love, but to solidify family fortunes and lands. Brings a new meaning to keeping it all in the family.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 3:25:37 PM

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Or to stop a war.

Brings a whole new meaning to "politics makes for strange bedfellows."

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 4:36:21 PM

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quote:

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Seems to me that families married in those times ,not for love, but to solidify family fortunes and lands. Brings a new meaning to keeping it all in the family.

Carn't argue with you 'dere' .
Wow! the Irish "Diaspora" went every weeeeere, didn't 'it?
(Must be a bunch of Donegal people "dere!")

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 4:41:53 PM

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In addition to land, money and a good breeding stock of maids, perhaps there was an alliance of armed forces in case of territorial disputes with neighboring nobles or wandering highwaymen.

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 5:07:36 PM

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Are the titles 'Lord,' 'Baron,' 'Count,' or 'Duke' hereditary?

If so, I do see the possibility for a nick change........

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 5:38:14 PM

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"Lordhottie"; "BaronvonHottie"; "CountHotness"; TheDukeofHottingdom"

see?

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 5:51:18 PM

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Subtee, if you keep talkin like that, I will have to raise a crusade and invade Iowa......

Only problem is that my ancestors that went on crusades had a bad habit of dieing......

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RE: Help - 7/22/2008 6:26:40 PM

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my ancestors : were

a saint
a pirate
a side show freak
a king who thought he was a living god
One of the founders of Rome
an indentured servant to the first Gov. of Virgina
two horse thieves
Queen Elisabeth I's washwoman
a US Marine that serve in the Boxer Rebellion when he was 17 told everyone he was 18.

Isn't History Fun!

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