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Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 9:07:23 AM

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The GOP/conservative line seems to be that if a Democrat/liberal gets elected, they will mismanage the war and the economy.

They cannot justify the mismanagement of the last seven years, so they just ignore it. It never happened. Conservatives still govern better than liberals.

Bizarre.

So... did the Bush administration never happen? Was the Clinton economic golden age nonexistent? Does spin and misconception matter, and reality not?

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 9:14:09 AM

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Guess it depends on your political "orientation".

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 9:56:07 AM

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We WISH it had never happened.

Yes, I agree, the sheer level of "reality warp" these guys live in is astounding. Obviously, they were paying attention to both "1984" where the government edited history on a regular basis, and the true source of Orwell's inspiration for the novel, Stalin's Russia.

Just a few examples:

Torture that is called "advanced interrogation techniques"
Premptive war...
Extraordinary rendition..
POW's redefined as "enemy combatants"
"Time horizions" instead of timelines...
Absolutist statements like "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!" (in front of the U.N. no less!)
Treating the Iraq war build up as "selling your product."
Lying about Nigerian yellowcake uranium
"Let's hope the next smoking gun isn't a mushroom cloud over NYC."
"I gave up golf to honor our troops."
We have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here.
Another terrorist attack on American soil will only help our campaign.
Duct tape and plastic sheeting.
Today's color coded terrorist threat warning is....
The US Constitution is a "living document, and thus we can change it to suit our needs.

and on, and on, and on...

This all really started when "W" (stands for "worst") was in his first 100 days, and claimed that God told him that he needed to conduct a crusade in the middle east.

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 9:59:40 AM

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It floors me that the diehard republicans - if you put a lien on each of all 300 million, of 30k, that the ones who cheerlead bush would most protest the lien.

I cant tell who the good guys are cos the dems are for globalization as well. we live in a massive corporation.

every leader is full of crap. Why? cos they have stock that benifits from war or other spending. The war can never end. Why? cos corporations are making money off of it. money is the most important thing on the planet and it is better then god.

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 10:03:36 AM

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The fact is, the Bush administration keeps repeating things in the hopes that people will believe it.
George Bush had been president almost a year when 9/11 happened.
Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. Saddam Hussein and Al Quada are opposite ends of the political spectrum in that area of the world.
We failed in Afghanistan to eliminate Al Quada and the Taliban (those who orchestrated the attack on 9/11)
Bush's economic policies area disaster
We have abandoned all moral prerogatives this country ever possessed in favor of giving George more power.

Unfortunately ... the last 7 years did exist from the fraud of the election to the crimes committed against both civilians and the military personnel in this country.

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 11:00:39 AM

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(waving my hands hypnotically) "The last seven years did not happen... the last seven years did not happen... when I snap my fingers, you will forget that gas is up to $4 a gallon, the your home is under foreclosure, that the US owes half a trillion dollars to China, that your phone calls are logged, your emails are watched, that the Supreme Court is packed with arch conservatives bent on rolling back civil rights and a woman's right to her own body... You will forget that your Constitutinal rights have been eroded, you will forget the kids from your hometown who are dead, or maimed... you will forget the endless parade of flag draped coffins being shat out by skyscraper-sized aircraft... You will ignore the high school kids who are "push outs" so their school can maintain their funding under NCLB, or that the PATRIOT ACT 2 allows you to be arrested, sent out of the country, and tortured for years on end without any charges even being brought against you.

Forget... forget... forget....

Instead, you will remember that Obama doesn't wear a $2.00 flag pin. You will think that a hypothetical flag burning ammendment is the the most important political issue of the last 50 years... you will remember that gays and lesbians must be demonized, because their happiness threatens the tradition of marriage. You will remember that a "knuckle bump" is a terrorist greeting.

And, you will think you are chicken, when it comes time to vote.

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 12:07:08 PM

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I kinda like that bipolar, but the scary part is that it is largely true.

Just give me one chance, one chance to interrogate these malfeasants.

What are you going to do about the debt ?

How are you going to bring back manufacturing jobs ?

In other words, they put the issues before us. I don't fall for it, but alot of people do. Unfortunately in this world those people vote. My ex-boss voted for Bush because Kerry is a baby killer. That came from the pulpit, and the concept of ruling from the pulpit is described in that nasty forgery I quote from time to time. But somehow there is a distinct lack of evidence that Kerry killed any babies. On the other hand we have Bush and there are pictures all over the internet damning him for exactly that.

Most of my news comes from overseas these days. It is much more balanced. And they watch the US closely because they know we are the biggest bullies and troublemakers on the planet. And I will say this one more time, one day China and Russia are going to get sick of our shit and then we will be the ones to worry. We better wake up and realize that we are not the biggest dog in the playground. Oh yeah we are tough, we can fuck with any of these little countries, but lemme ask this, how come our prolonged war with the USSR was "cold". We don't have the stomach for it.

Why do we need a war with Iran, but the military brass from China was allowed to see our secret facilities ? Clinton made that happen not Bush. I agree about Bush, he needs to be strung up, but so does every President starting with FDR to the present needs the same treatment. And probably a few before FDR. Wilson comes to mind.

True US ideals are gone and have been for a long long time. It has been said that the US is the only communist country who doesn't know it, or want to admit it. And now we supposedly describe ourself as a democracy, and that was not the intent. They (the founding Fathers) gave us a republic, and we have failed to keep it. (some will know the quote that is based on)

So I would like to amend the OP, did the last 150 years really happen ? I certainly hope not and we all wake up and find that it was just a dream.

I would like to wake up and find that the civil war never happened, that the south and the north made a truce and either were allowed to seceed or came to terms, with the government capitulating to the will of the people and stop the REAL reasons for the civil war before it was too late. Then we would have not gotten into either of the world wars, and we are STILL paying off WW2.

We would find that the national debt is very low, inflation is almost non existant, new cars are about two grand and gas is fifteen cents a gallon. The slaves were repatriated and are not here. And for those who don't know, slavery was not the reason for the civil war. In fact a few of the southern states were abolishionist and had already outlawed slavery.

Yes, I would like to wake up from the nightmare, but try as I might, I just can't.

And wonder why I drink. You think my buddy who can't find a good job is the problem ? Or the fact that I should have just gone into business instead of working for incompetents ? You think it is gas prices or some shit like that ? No, I see the greed in the world and eventually I will shut my eyes to it for the last time. Then and only then will I wake up.

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 12:44:34 PM

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Sadly, I can relate to your statement about getting your news from overseas. I personally get mine from the BBC, and some of the broadcasts from the asian markets which are done in English. It's amazing how different the news is reported from the perspective of the rest of the world. I think it's more than a little scary that, according to some of the organizations who track the quality of news reporting for accuracy, that "The Daily Show" tends to have more factual information on it's broadcasts than does Fox News Channel.

American journalism seems to be completely asleep at the switch.

Democracies run on a well informed public. I guess this is why the GOP keeps harping on us being republic.... because that makes their job of misleading "we the people" less of an ethical crime?

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 1:13:11 PM

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Sometimes I feel like the Democratic Party and individual Democrats are starting to get the upper-hand intellectually, and then I see phrases like "Clinton economic golden age" and my frontal lobe spasms like it was stabbed with an ice pick. Clinton had FUCK ALL NOTHING POSITIVE to do with the economy whatsoever. Clinton took the principles of Reaganomics and applied them to a credit and loan based economy. What administration's policies facilitated the unprecedented adoption of ARMs? Which led to the subprime mortgage crisis? Which lead to Bear Stearns, and now the Indymac collapse?

As far as I'm concerned anyone who pretends to give a shit about the economy and doesn't vote for Ron Paul is a moron.

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 1:16:08 PM

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On the economy

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=176740&title=headlines-its-the-stupid-economy

At least we have comic relief...

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 2:07:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: uninterested5

Sometimes I feel like the Democratic Party and individual Democrats are starting to get the upper-hand intellectually, and then I see phrases like "Clinton economic golden age" and my frontal lobe spasms like it was stabbed with an ice pick. Clinton had FUCK ALL NOTHING POSITIVE to do with the economy whatsoever. Clinton took the principles of Reaganomics and applied them to a credit and loan based economy.

It's not the wisest move to toss out lies like that they're way too easy to tear down.

Reaganomics, as much as it is anything, is supply side economics. A thoroughly discredited bit of pablum believed in by the neocons and not much of anybody else. The first Bush got in trouble with the true believers when he raised taxes on the wealthy, a major no no of supply side economics. Bill clinton never cut those taxes and actuallt worked to a balanced budget by constraining spending while maintaining income, another huge no no of supply side economics which calls for massive tax cuts for the producers at every opportunity under the mistaken assumption that this will stimulate investment and job growth. So after 8 year sof massive mushrooming deficts and reckless tax cuts under Reagan we had 4 years of a less extreme supply side plan under GHWB resulting in a stabilizing of the deficit and some rebound in job creation. Clinton completely abandoned supply side for 8 years and we had a huge boom with a lot of new jobs and new industries. GWB takes power and the supply siders get control again and the economy goes right back into the toilet. The USA is effectively now owned by China due strictly to the absurd supply side economics that Reagan's backers so love.

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RE: Did the last seven years happen? - 7/20/2008 3:25:19 PM

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It surprised me that so many politicans and pundits seem to want the voting publics memory to live in a very short-term vacuum. Every action and election impacts the future- but for some (a lot?) that's really not convenient for their agendas. Unless I wake up tomorrow morning in a shower with Patrick Duffy (while at first a creepy thought, sounds more appealing over the reign of the burning Bush) I'm pretty sure they happened and us internet geniuses