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Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 4:22:33 AM

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In a variation of the other thread on airline security, apparently last night an airline passenger on I belive it was an American Airlines flight stripped naked and tried to open an emergency exi in flightt... He had to be restrained by a semi-professional soccer team on board... The flight had to land in Oklahoma City so that the guy could be carted off to the Happy Home...

Ah, its shit like that which makes me glad that I dont rack up any frequent flyer miles in either of the two front seats. LOL

Anyone got video or seen more on this? Terrorist or just a nut? Thoughts?

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 4:25:21 AM

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i'm never on the good flights. the most exciting thing on a flight i've been on is snoring or so much turbulence they couldn't bring the drink cart around.

by the way, how easy is it to open an emergency exit when the plane is thousands of feet in the air? that's kind of scary.

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 4:31:14 AM

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i'm never on the good flights. the most exciting thing on a flight i've been on is snoring or so much turbulence they couldn't bring the drink cart around.

by the way, how easy is it to open an emergency exit when the plane is thousands of feet in the air? that's kind of scary.

Edited to correct a misleading oversimplification

Its extremely easy if you break the seal created by the cabin pressure. Which takes more muscle and / or skill than a crazy naked man or drunk, but which could be done by a terrorist who actually studied the systems manual. There is a pressure differential of approx 8 psi between the cabin which is at 6500 - 8000 feet on average and the outside which is at whatever altitude the plane is at. Initially you have to open it inward a little before you open it out. The "inward is against cabin pressure" but once that pressure equalizes it will open wide and you may (as the FAA training film says) "Involuntarily Exit The Aircraft"... They cant really "lock them" because if you had locked exits well that would be bad... Electic interlocks could fail in a fire or electrical problem etc... Some of the newer planes DO have electronic solenoids that will not allow the exits handles to be moved unless the pilots disarm them but all the systems are designed to "fail safe" so that you can exit if thinsg went bad. If they have the electronic solenoids and you cut power the lock will unlock as would be necessary for egress in the event of an elecrical fie or failure. The real fail safe is the initial cabin pressure that must be overcome to open the door so you would need to break a window first or otherwise cause a decompression.. Most people dont want to step out for a stroll at FL350 LOL Generally speaking though you arent SUPPOSED to be able to open them in flight but if you depressurize the cabin you can do it because it is a "plug type door" secured by cabin pressure... Thats how DB Cooper did it when he parachuted out.

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 4:49:59 AM

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Perhaps the old boy just wanted to step outside for a smoke?

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 5:34:13 AM

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Thanks DA

I'm flying AA to Vegas soon. How does one book a flight with a semi-pro soccer team on board?

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 6:26:34 AM

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I've got a good idea of where they probably took the guy, as far as Nut Huts go here in OKC metro. There are only 2 possibilities, and since one of those is closer but doesn't have as secure a facility (for dealing with serious cases) the probability is the other one.

While it's not easy to open the cabin door of a Pressurized aircraft while in flight, opening the door on a small UNpressurized craft during flight is sometimes far to easy. Of course, those who do any parachuting know this - but sometimes it happens when you don't Intend it to. I won't fly a cessna 152 ever again for that very reason - during a solo time-building training flight from OKC metro to the Dal-Worth metro, I had the door latch decide to fail while I was 7000+ft off the ground. Since it was a Solo time, there was no way for me to secure the door except to be diverted to the closest airport along my route, land, deal with the issue, and then finish my flight. In something as small as a C152, there is no cabin pressurization. And therefore no cabin pressure to keep that door shut if the latch fails or someone intends to open it during flight.

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 7:14:17 AM

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While it's not easy to open the cabin door of a Pressurized aircraft while in flight, opening the door on a small UNpressurized craft during flight is sometimes far to easy. Of course, those who do any parachuting know this - but sometimes it happens when you don't Intend it to. I won't fly a cessna 152 ever again for that very reason - during a solo time-building training flight from OKC metro to the Dal-Worth metro, I had the door latch decide to fail while I was 7000+ft off the ground. Since it was a Solo time, there was no way for me to secure the door except to be diverted to the closest airport along my route, land, deal with the issue, and then finish my flight. In something as small as a C152, there is no cabin pressurization. And therefore no cabin pressure to keep that door shut if the latch fails or someone intends to open it during flight.

I have had doors open in Cessnas .... Thats why all crewmembers must keep their seatbelts and shoulder harnesses fastened

Seriously though, its not a big deal in an unpressurized small plane. I actually fly Cessnas a lot with the doors off.... Thats how we do our "Fruit Bombing" with the pumpkins or watermelons LOL Better to ignore a door and just fly.... A school that does primary in the houston area had a student killed when a door opened during take off... Instead of climbing out he was fucking with the door and hit obstructions 1/2 mile from the airport. Rule #1 FLY THE AIRPLANE. LOL Just FYI - dont let it turn you off on 152's ... Ive had it happen on a 140, 150, 152, 170, 172 and non pressurized 210. Its a "Cessna Latch" thing not a Cessna 152 thing. There have been several ADs on it.

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 7:23:15 AM

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I still think the guy was suffering nicotine withdrawal and needed a smoke, thus he wanted to step outside.

Now granted, there are some unwanted problems created by such an act, but if they would allow smoking on planes......

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 7:28:22 AM

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Mentally ill is different then mentally retarded. there are more mentally ill people running around then you would think. at times people assume they are on drugs.

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 7:30:08 AM

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I still think the guy was suffering nicotine withdrawal and needed a smoke, thus he wanted to step outside.

Now granted, there are some unwanted problems created by such an act, but if they would allow smoking on planes......

LOL I smoke all the time...

I have even smoked when using oxygen... (NO, it does NOT explode. It makes the cigaretter burn white hot instead of red, but it does NOT explode. People assume oxygen is explosive and it isnt - its an oxidizer that accellerates combustion. It will only explode if there is oil or grease.)

One thing thad or Mister could appreciate though... I learned that a lit cigarette is visible for up to three miles to an LSO and his camera. I made a night trap, and we were asked about the "two unusual navigation lights" we were displaying. LOL

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 8:56:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomAviator

In a variation of the other thread on airline security, apparently last night an airline passenger on I belive it was an American Airlines flight stripped naked and tried to open an emergency exi in flightt... He had to be restrained by a semi-professional soccer team on board... The flight had to land in Oklahoma City so that the guy could be carted off to the Happy Home...

Ah, its shit like that which makes me glad that I dont rack up any frequent flyer miles in either of the two front seats. LOL

Anyone got video or seen more on this? Terrorist or just a nut? Thoughts?

They TOLD us that the drugs of the 60's would affect our future generation's genes. But did we listen???? noooooooooooooooooooooo....

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 9:07:28 AM

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The story I read on this had the sequence of events in this order....Man strips nude....man puts clothes back on.....man decides to open door....just wondering if his fellow passengers would have minded the opening door thing if he had skipped step two....just saying

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 9:13:01 AM

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Kermit - that's just it - rather than forgetting about that Rule #1 (Fly The Plane) - I deliberately asked to be diverted to the closest airport. (If I'd forgotten Rule #1 in that incident, I likely wouldn't be alive to be making comments, now Would I?)

I've flown Since then with doors open or off - hard to do a Jump when there's a door in the way, after all. But having something like that happen while I was doing xcountry time building, so I could work on my commercial, was a bit... eh.. Telling for me, at that particular point in time!

Yes, it put me off about flying 152s - not Cessnas in general, just 152s. There's a 182 that I rent on rare occassions that I absolutely love - granted, its a retrac and hipro engine, but hell, it's still a Cessna. It's just the seriously underpowered, way outta date, generally speaking rickity 152 that I have "issues" with lol.

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 9:37:49 AM

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TNT's in tulsa is a great nuthouse...i loved it on new years....woo...

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 9:38:20 AM

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Yes, it put me off about flying 152s - not Cessnas in general, just 152s. There's a 182 that I rent on rare occassions that I absolutely love - granted, its a retrac and hipro engine, but hell, it's still a Cessna. It's just the seriously underpowered, way outta date, generally speaking rickity 152 that I have "issues" with lol.

Yes but that 182 has the same door latches as the 152 :) Stop bitching about 152's , want fun - try explaining to some yahoo why regadless of what the POH says about +6 /-3 G's aerobatics, his lovely little 100 horsepower C-150K Aerobat will be lucky to get off the fucking ground on a hot and humid texas afternoon with two aboard and enough fuel to make it around the pattern. LOL. +6 / -3 Yeah, right maybe if you sit in it during a hurricane LOL. I dont know what ol Clyde was thinking there cause by comparison the T-34C has a turboprob with 550 hp and its only capable of +4.5/-2.3 and it does 280 kts. Fucking geese can pass ya in a C-150K

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 9:44:48 AM

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They TOLD us that the drugs of the 60's would affect our future generation's genes. But did we listen???? noooooooooooooooooooooo....

*snort*

ok, I just choked on my pizza, reading that./..lol

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/19/2008 10:32:31 AM

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Yes but that 182 has the same door latches as the 152 :) Stop bitching about 152's , want fun - try explaining to some yahoo why regadless of what the POH says about +6 /-3 G's aerobatics, his lovely little 100 horsepower C-150K Aerobat will be lucky to get off the fucking ground on a hot and humid texas afternoon with two aboard and enough fuel to make it around the pattern. LOL. +6 / -3 Yeah, right maybe if you sit in it during a hurricane LOL. I dont know what ol Clyde was thinking there cause by comparison the T-34C has a turboprob with 550 hp and its only capable of +4.5/-2.3 and it does 280 kts. Fucking geese can pass ya in a C-150K

Yeah, the 182 has the same latches - but most of the folks that I know who own 182s actually take care of their a/c better than that 152 was maintained! LOL

Shit, Kermie - get a good stiff headwind in a Piper Cherokee that hasn't had boost work done to the engine performance and you'll get passed by Geese as well! And Hawks, Vultures, Pidgeons, and Sparrows. Especially while Landing. (Don't ask me how I know a Cherokee can be passed up by a Pidgeon while in low approach... you really don't want to know LMAO )

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/20/2008 12:06:59 AM

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Yeah, the 182 has the same latches - but most of the folks that I know who own 182s actually take care of their a/c better than that 152 was maintained! LOL

Hey some of us are meticulous about maintenence! I never leave the ground with the engine leaking...

Especially not antifreeze... If I see any of that pretty green antifreeze on the ground I will conduct a thorough investigation to find the source... LOL

Funny little inflight emegency story for ya. I have a thing for tail draggers... Cant help it, always have, always will, you aint a real pilot till you have a tailwheel endorsement in the book. Well as ya know I have an A&P ticket too... So I flew out with a buddy about two years ago to this little grass strip in the asshole of the planet to inspect and buy a cherry 1952 170B that had been sitting on the field since the owner died. It was dirty and neglected but in GORGEOUS mechanical shape. Of course it was years out of annual, and behind on AD's etc but I decided to ferry it anyway on a ferry permit... I went over it carefully, I literalluy spent 4 hours or so checking it new oil, new plugs, pitot static test etc, but the thing I did NOT inspect was the back side of the instrument panel... shortly after I rotated, on climb out, I hit some chop and a fucking mudwasp nest the size of a softball dropped down onto my feet. SHIT! That was one interesting go around, no pattern, no fucking around, did a 180, came straight in against the wind, made the ugliest landing in history, stopped on the grass runway and didnt even taxi off just stopped, bailed, and ran! LOL We had to stay overnight cause I was so nauseous and swollen from the stings I got that I couldnt fly, and that aircraft got the shit bugbombed out of it before we tried again....

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/20/2008 1:03:16 AM

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I confess to not reading all the replies.......I got hung up on the "stripped naked" and "soccer team" part.........and was hoping to see some action on my flight.....god please let all the nuts fly NWA.......dayum

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RE: Snakes on a plane! Crazed Passenger gets Naked! - 7/20/2008 1:09:03 AM

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Oh My ... and people wonder why I am way to chicken to fly lol .... Sounds like someone had one to many in the bar before the flight lol

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