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Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 12:12:24 AM   
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I ran across this photo essay (pics from 65-95, I think) on another perv site. Powerful. An excellent reminder that Plymouth Rock did indeed land on many Americans.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402544

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 11:23:55 AM   
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Wow, that was quite compelling.

Recommended reading for all those who oppose my viewpoints engendering mass executions, abortion, euthenasia and eugenics.

Keep on fucking, fill up the jails and soon enough the world will look like that. Eventually the world will not be able to feed itself.

It is not hatred, it is actually quite the opposite, that people live this way because of overcrowding, yet nobody wants to read that article........

All you people in the affluent areas, making a good life for yourself, kudos, have fun. But look very carefully at those pictures, and the accompanying story, because IT IS COMING TO YOU. If the trend does not stop this whole country is going to be like that. If you think I am full of shit, just live a few more years. If the shit keeps up, Harlem is coming to Telluride. Might take it a little while to get there, but it will.

And as much as politicians fuck everything up, they did not cause overpopulation so fucking severe that even in a good economy there were not enough jobs for the people. Get your welfare check and fuck, it's the American way.

Hard ? You haven't seen hard. I have hung around with people in the worst ghettos in Cleveland, and they are just as bad. These are pockets of disease, and if allowed they will infect everything everywhere. I say we go in there, get the good people out and then use napalm and shit on the criminals.

Not moral ? Wait until it comes to you and see how moral it is.

Judgements, life and death, this is the way of life which people ignore.

That link can show you the results, if you are not blind.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 5:17:32 PM   
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And people wonder why New Yorkers are such fucking hardasses.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 5:49:21 PM   
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       Thank God for Rudy Giuliani, huh Hippie?

      

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 6:12:15 PM   
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      Thank God for Rudy Giuliani, huh Hippie?
     


I suppose now is a bad time to mention Freakonomics?


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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 7:11:42 PM   
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HK...not to take anything away from that...have you been to Harlem recently???   The post 9/11 real estate market changed the landscape a bit. 
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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 7:31:58 PM   
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HK...not to take anything away from that...have you been to Harlem recently???   The post 9/11 real estate market changed the landscape a bit. 
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No, I've not. I should hope things have improved for the marginalized people there. I guess some of those pics provide visual counterpoint to the oft-repeated rightie talking point of  "the poor in American are better off than anywhere else."

Of course, we know that ever since the Civil War, there has been a level playing field and all Americans have had the same opportunities and if any of them are poor, it's because they are out of favor with Gowadduh. It's their own damn fault.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 8:08:19 PM   
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I suppose now is a bad time to mention Freakonomics?




          I dunno, Troub.  I've had that book on my nightstand for at least two months, and still haven't cracked the spine.  Maybe when football season gets rolling...

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 8:23:45 PM   
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I just took a quick look at that link.  Almost all of the pictures are from the 60s or 70s based on the cars and clothing.  I only saw one that is probably from the 80s.

Harlem (and the Bronx) has made a radical change since the early 80s.  The change was pretty noticable when I lived on the border of E. Harlem and the UES in 87-88.  It wasn't great, but there were few problems.  Now I'd walk around the area without looking over my shoulder. 

There are even multi-million dollar brownstones in Harlem today.  Bill Clinton even has his office in the heart of Harlem. 

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 9:19:42 PM   
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Homer Simpson: New York is a hellhole. And you know how I feel about hellholes! 

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 9:21:23 PM   
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They state in the thread it's "old" New York City, if you will.  I live in NYC now, and it's nothing like that currently; there are still some rough spots, but it's in the outer boroughs.  Even Harlem is in much better shape than it used to be by a pretty significant margin.

Those pictures are another "era", but some of that mentality persists.


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RE: Brutal New York - 7/14/2008 9:43:43 PM   
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interesting....while NYC has changed a lot, I still think parts of Harlem and even Queens look ghetto, could be the people hanging out on the front porch or the graffiti or the trash around...but its def. an improvement, as far as manhattan goes, I feel very safe when walking around there to my work.

What is impressive is the fall in crime...an example for any crime-ridden city or country to imitate.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/15/2008 5:04:11 AM   
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- tow the abandoned cars to junk yard.   clean up the litter.

the people who live there "could" tidy it up.   

we make out own beds.

rural poverty isnt too much prettier.

an immegrant will come over -work 18 hours a day.. and make/build a life.

if each resident took 10 minutes a day- to tidy up.... it would improve.



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RE: Brutal New York - 7/15/2008 6:45:23 AM   
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       A very good point, PaHunk.  When the attitude of the people is that somebody else should do it for them, nothing happens.  If I recall the news reports of the day, that was the same attitude of the city government as well.  The obese cop in one of the pics certainly didn't figure it was his job to chase anybody.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/15/2008 4:05:02 PM   
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A very real reminder about the other side of American affluence.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/15/2008 4:37:56 PM   
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You know what surprised me about some of the nastiest looking areas of Cleveland, and I will bet good money that it applies there - how much money some people have. Perhaps not affluent, but hundreds in their pockets, whether it be from dealing, stealing or working, you can't assume they are all dirt broke.

I mean I work and I got probably three dollars in my pocket right now. Alot of these guys have no bank account so they might be walking around with several hundred in their pocket. The fact is, those conditions are just fine with them.

Some media a while back went around in the ghetto, or whatever you want to call it, and found alot of homeless people liked it that way. They offered them housing, these people turned them down. Some were deemed to be mentally imbalanced and actually, some probably were. But then some are fugitives, but some just like it. It doesn't make sense really, but they do.

Also assuming the pictures are old because the cars are old might not be 100% correct. If you look in my driveway it really doesn't seem to be 2008 if ya knowwhadda mean. Like, I do not want a new car, I may have to nuy a newer car soon because ol Betsy is about to give up the ghost, but I have no desire for a new car whatsoever. In fact I would like to go older, but something in better shape. But the thing is, some of these people do not want a house, really.

There is no explaining it.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/15/2008 5:19:54 PM   
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I thought Bill Clinton had an office in Harlem and all was well there...?

I agree with TieNteas- those looked like old pictures.  Regardless, I bet one could take similarly horrific pictures in any major city in any major country.  Poverty is sad, indeed.  Sometimes it is the result of our own choices; sometimes it is the result of injustice.  It is sad, none-the-less.

But these pictures don't define New York; just a fragment of it.  New York is diverse, from absurdly wealthy to absurdly poor, to everything in between.  As for the poverty, what are we going to do about it?  Criticize this country or roll up our shirt sleeves and contribute to change?

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/15/2008 6:11:53 PM   
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Yeah Owned , we have parts of Houston like that now once the Katrina Refugess finished making themselves at home... We have a neighborhood known as "Little Mog" or "The Mog" due to its striking similarity in both crime and appearance to Mogadishu Somalia. When people arent stakeholders in a community they trash it... Thats why all govt housing projects are such shitholes. You can build the nicest building on earth, and then populate it with the Katrina crowd and within weeks there will be gang tags on the walls, crime scene tape in place, and crack vials crunching underfoot.

As for what Im gonna do about poverty - absolutely nothing. Im going to continue to have my accountant ensure I pay the minimum taxes legally possible so as to support as few of those parasites as possible, and Im going to support my local police who hold the line and make sure they dont overrun my community. Poverty is easily cured if people get off their ass and get a job... Its not my job to help those who are lazy and self destructive. Poverty aint my problem. I dont like it so I made damn sure not to be in it....

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/15/2008 10:54:47 PM   
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DA, you better stop agreening with me and/or supporting my point or people will think you are crazy as well.

You got your Mog, hasn't it come to you ? You certainly did not pick these people up in your Eddie Bauer. They just came, they relocated.

Now there had to be some contingent of people living there who have marketable skills and most likely don't live in the Mog. You never hear about them, who knows where they are off to, tending to their business and building a life. What you hear about is those who are left.

People who can't make it without the "superstructure" if that word is correct, of their hometown, or at least somewhere they have been a while. People without truly marketable skills are vulnerable to this sort of thing. I might be among them. I have a job offer in Reno right now that I am not taking. Should I give up living rent free and just paying taxes and insurance and of course the rest ? Should I leave an area where I know the speed traps, the ins and outs and who is who ? That would have to be one hell of a job.

But then it would definitely be on the table if I got home from work to a pile of ashes. Just take the insurance money and go, fuck it. You could do the same. Or, in our case we can decide to rebuild. There was a thread on here that put forth we should not even waste the money to rebuild that area, and they actually made a pretty good point.

That has been brought up before also, about all the insurance cos bailing and the gov left holding the bag, and shelling out our tax money. NOT rebuilding certain areas has indeed been discussed even before the internet. Yup before Al gore.

But I digress. [smacks self in head]. If you have a house with insurance you have at least some equity. If the damage is severe, you can walk away and on top of whatever else your homeowner's insurance covers, you get your equity. Now insurance down there might be different because because of these conditions, but up here, if it is a total loss it is razed and you get everything except about ten percent for the actual land, because of course it is still there, well it would be.

Down there MAYBE IT AIN'T ! I ain't too pleased with myself that I had a chuckle over that, but yup, the insurance might have to pay for the land, unless the policy is written that they absolutely do not insure the land.

So some people can put a check for a hundred grand in the bank from insurance and basically have a bit of an edge. They will have enough for food gas car repairs rent. All this must be maintained while one finds their next acceptable job.

Nice little nest egg and if you play your cards right, get that job, hopefully you'll have a bunch leftover for a downstroke on a house.

But a renter has a whole different story. Renters insurance is nowhere near as good as homeowner's, especially if it is owner occupied. They get contents, and if they have off street parking maybe their car. Now if they lost all this shit, they would literally have nothing, but a check. Once it boils down to their stereo and biscreen were from rentacenter, they get to relocate on two or three grand.

Now that area was a cultural area of sorts, as such there was tourism, and the business resultant of course. They made money, local businesses, and even the chains. Up and down the road there is always somewhere to eat, and in each one of those places must be a certain amount of employees, depending on their scale of operation.

All those people were working people, and everything they worked for is gone. Even people who owned businesses might habitate the Mog. They might have had a slow time or just had too much tied up in projects and got caught with their hands full. Of problems I mean. Forty bucks in your pocket, lucky to have a car right now but it needs gas. Shit, the bank where I made the deposit yesterday is under fucking water. And let's say this business owner, pillar of the community all that, was renting.

With the semi-dense population ther were surely many apartments. Those people rent. Ninety nine percent of the time if they get hit by a flood they have nothing, right then and there. Not even a car. Even if the Nationwide guy is there that night with a check, it means shit.

Some have the gumption to get out, and it might just be a matter of time. That will leave the rest. There are still people in this country able to excel, but some of them have just had a big hard noodle shoved up their ass.

And in any society, there are always dregs. So there is going to be X percentage of them. Hey, perhaps they sent them to Texas for sterilization or something. Geez, I really have to quit going on these tangents.

Anyway. What if NYC flooded ? It would be a stretch but it could happen. Think of all those people in the highrises who then can't leave. Stuck.

You know the Arctic ice is melting. With a bit of physics under my belt, first of all the biggest thing to worry about is not sea level. We are losing ground, that is a fact, but it is happening quite slowly and chicken littles forget it. Physics, only one sixth of a piece of ice is on top of the water level. That means it only increases the body of water's volume by one sixth, and actually a bit lees because ice is one of the few substances in the world that actually expands when it freezes.

But my concern,well not really, but for the sake of statement. My concern is that the polar ice mass as it melts will eventually crack in half, or into maybe a few more pieces. Realize the stresses put on this mass by the rotation of the planet. The polar ice mass splitting would be a BIG BIG problem. The centripetal force would drive these chards of ice southward, of course because it is the only direction to go. This centripetal (used to be called centrigufal) force will cause tidal waves and these waves will emanate from the north.

By the time it gets down here I might experience a power outage, but if that were to happen it would be very concievable that NYC could flood.

Some people might try to argue physics on this, but I will take care of that now. I know that the centripetal force is very minimal, but it is real. Once anyting really big breaks off, as it travcels south this centripetal force, while still miniscukle, is constant, and it acts just like gravity. In relation to Earth there are a few equations that need to be turned upside down, but you get the idea. These "continents of ice", possibly as big as Greenland have alot of mass. Now the force might be small, but the mass is great. So using compliance,
gm/g.

G is the force, gravity is all balanced. The centripetal is G, but is a relitive G. These things would start way up north of course, but with the outward G force increasing logarythmiacally, They will be booking pretty soon. If these things start moving, even at five inches an hour, there will be tidal waves like you never seen. And they are on as close as you can get to a frictionless bearing.

Oh, BTW, guess what they want to do now, drill for oil up there. Oh yeah, then the ice mass can just break along the dotted line. And they will determine where that dotted line is.

If I were dictator I would really have to think that over very carefully.

What's more, just a guesstimate, any crude in the Arctic region is very likely to be sour and heavy.

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RE: Brutal New York - 7/16/2008 6:58:08 AM   
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-- in my 20s I ended up in simmilliar neighborhoods.  after a while you barely notice it.  in fact if it looked too good then there could be trouble.  I might add the folks who lived there were VERY cognizant of gentriication, and some wanted it bleak- as they were close to downtown.....  

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