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iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 6:13:51 AM   
noonnap


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Status: offline 		i just watched a short snip on nova science now about a new anitbotic resistent bacterium. officaially called acinetobacter baumanii. it has already spread to many hospitals in america and is believed to have been brought here by wounded soldiers from iraq. according to the government it is contracted by soldiers in iraq when iraqi dirt or water get into an open wound. thats funny though because the first cases were reported in 2002 in afghanistan. what isnt the government telling our soldiers? and why hasnt this been more widely reported? i think the statistic was 80% of wounded soldiers are contracting this bacterium. it seems to act like mrsa.
well if anyone has more information on this please please please let me know what this is all about!
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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 6:36:41 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Dunno, but when you go shooting the place up with depleted uranium rounds, who knows what a simple microbe could mutate into.

What's more, in different parts of the world people's immune systems develop differently. It may be something that was there all along but the people there were either immune or tolerant to this bacteria.

Though I haven't heard of this one thusfar, I have heard of other wierd maladies sufferred by soldiers. It's all part of the game. But there is a reason you need to "get your shots" before traveling abroad.

And as far as what the government isn't telling us, I got one word - ALOT.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 6:40:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		i dont know about different immune systems and all that but there were no reported case of this bacteruium from the first time we were in iraq.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 7:04:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah well think about how sometyhing like this is discovered. It may be said that sometimes you don't find something when you don't look.

Or it could've mutated after the first (1991) crime commited in Iraq.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 7:18:48 AM   
noonnap


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Status: offline 		actually the bacterium itself has been around for a while. the problem has recently surfaced that it is able to ...add (for lack of a better word) dna from other drug resistant bacterium to its own.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 8:47:25 AM   
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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 10:31:14 AM   
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The sources of the A. baumannii that led to the infections described in this report are under investigation. During the Vietnam War, A. baumannii was reported to be the most common gram-negative bacillus recovered from traumatic injuries to extremities


Source :  http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5345a1.htm

Maybe the bacteria are just becomming more drug resistant, just the same as anti-biotics are becoming less effective. The link seems to be field hospitals or transportation, if the bacteria can resist cleaning agents, then the situation will get worse. I also found a link to an outbreak in Texas.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 10:38:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		what organs does it do damage to
i have sarcoidosis which noone can specifically tell where it comes from

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 10:48:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is just one of a few hundred, possibly thousands of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

As for the reason it is showing up, well, considering the over use of antibiotics AND the bad habit of people not taking the whole series, bacteria develop a resistance to the stuff we come up with to kill it.



Antibiotic resistant syphilis, and other STD's, staff, strep, tb, pneumonia and all those things we thought we had the cure for with antibiotics have become super bugs because we are too frigging STUPID to follow simple instructions.  We feel better so we stop taking the meds.

However, there is a way to prevent catching these bugs.  You purchase an old titan II or atlas missile silo, convert the silo itself into a water tank, set up hydroponic gardens, make sure the NBC gear is all working, go inside and weld the door shut behind you.


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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 10:59:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: snappykappy

what organs does it do damage to
i have sarcoidosis which noone can specifically tell where it comes from



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The exact cause of sarcoidosis is not known, the current working hypothesis is that in genetically susceptible individuals sarcoidosis is caused through alteration in immune response after exposure to an environmental, occupational, or infectious agent.


I got this from Wiki, but found several sites about Sarcoidosis via Google. Maybe its due to inhalation of particles, in the same way Mesothelioma is due to breathing Asbestos dust. I know there are several similar types of infections found in construction workers, depending on what types of material one handles.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 12:50:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: noonnap

i just watched a short snip on nova science now about a new anitbotic resistent bacterium. officaially called acinetobacter baumanii. it has already spread to many hospitals in america and is believed to have been brought here by wounded soldiers from iraq. according to the government it is contracted by soldiers in iraq when iraqi dirt or water get into an open wound. thats funny though because the first cases were reported in 2002 in afghanistan. what isnt the government telling our soldiers? and why hasnt this been more widely reported? i think the statistic was 80% of wounded soldiers are contracting this bacterium. it seems to act like mrsa.
well if anyone has more information on this please please please let me know what this is all about!

I saw news about this well over a few years ago, you just had to read the science mags or science news.

thornhappy

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 12:53:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

This is just one of a few hundred, possibly thousands of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

As for the reason it is showing up, well, considering the over use of antibiotics AND the bad habit of people not taking the whole series, bacteria develop a resistance to the stuff we come up with to kill it.

Another major contributor is the large amounts of antibiotics used in animal husbandry.  Often it's not for disease, but just to increase growth rates.  This just sets up a lot of good environments for gene swapping and development of gene resistance, since the animal antibiotics similar or the same as the human genetics.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 2:25:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just about any cystic fibrosis patient would be able to give you the long and sorry story of A. baumanii. Got nothing to do with Iraq, and everything to do with abuse of antibiotics and naturally ocurring bacterial gene swapping abilities.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 2:45:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or geeeee just maybe its something out of one of the germ warfare labs that the benevolant and kind Saddam Hussein didnt have...

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 6:56:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think people do not have strong immune systems anymore, chiefly due to medical intervention.

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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 7:01:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		i doubt the lack of immunity is solely the result of medical intervention.  antibiotics in our food, chemicals used to treat crops, all this crap has to have an effect on us somehow.  we're finally seeing the results of better living thru chemistry.
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RE: iraqibacter:why havent i seen this before - 7/11/2008 7:27:56 PM   
thornhappy


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Status: offline 		Damn, so he had it in for South Korea, huh?  It was seen there in 1997.

Or France, 1994-95.

This is kinda how hantaviruses shook out; after the first few outbreaks, re-examination of a lot of data and biopsies showed that they'd been all over the place.

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