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Level -> U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/6/2008 7:22:12 PM)

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SEOUL, South Korea - The American colonel, troubled by what he was hearing, tried to stall at first. But the declassified record shows he finally told his South Korean counterpart it "would be permitted" to machine-gun 3,500 political prisoners, to keep them from joining approaching enemy forces.

In the early days of the Korean War, other American officers observed, photographed and confidentially reported on such wholesale executions by their South Korean ally, a secretive slaughter believed to have killed 100,000 or more leftists and supposed sympathizers, usually without charge or trial, in a few weeks in mid-1950.

Extensive archival research by The Associated Press has found no indication Far East commander Gen. Douglas MacArthur took action to stem the summary mass killing, knowledge of which reached top levels of the Pentagon and State Department in Washington, where it was classified "secret" and filed away.

Now, a half-century later, the South Korean government's Truth and Reconciliation Commission is investigating what happened in that summer of terror, a political bloodbath largely hidden from history, unlike the communist invaders' executions of southern rightists, which were widely publicized and denounced at the time.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_re_as/korea_mass_executions_us

Is being at war a valid reason for such actions?




Griswold -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/6/2008 7:27:30 PM)

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SEOUL, South Korea - The American colonel, troubled by what he was hearing, tried to stall at first. But the declassified record shows he finally told his South Korean counterpart it "would be permitted" to machine-gun 3,500 political prisoners, to keep them from joining approaching enemy forces.

In the early days of the Korean War, other American officers observed, photographed and confidentially reported on such wholesale executions by their South Korean ally, a secretive slaughter believed to have killed 100,000 or more leftists and supposed sympathizers, usually without charge or trial, in a few weeks in mid-1950.

Extensive archival research by The Associated Press has found no indication Far East commander Gen. Douglas MacArthur took action to stem the summary mass killing, knowledge of which reached top levels of the Pentagon and State Department in Washington, where it was classified "secret" and filed away.

Now, a half-century later, the South Korean government's Truth and Reconciliation Commission is investigating what happened in that summer of terror, a political bloodbath largely hidden from history, unlike the communist invaders' executions of southern rightists, which were widely publicized and denounced at the time.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_re_as/korea_mass_executions_us

Is being at war a valid reason for such actions?


Wow.




MasterKalif -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/6/2008 7:33:14 PM)

interesting...yet the communist North did far worse and in systematic fashion...however the Americans back then wanted to stop communism whatever it took....why the shock that Gen. MacArthur did not stop these killings in what can be considered "local affairs"? It is well known that he wanted to nuke China to stop Mao...

Look at South Korea today vs North Korea and you see the difference...




Level -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/6/2008 7:34:00 PM)

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It was the British who took action, according to news reports at the time. On Dec. 7, in occupied North Korea, British officers saved 21 civilians lined up to be shot, by threatening to shoot the South Korean officer responsible. Later that month, British troops seized "Execution Hill," outside Seoul, to block further mass killings there.






Alumbrado -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/6/2008 7:38:14 PM)

Beyond disgusting.... all of it, the fact that the Koreans thought it was OK to massacre their fellow citizens, the fact that it took so long for someone to stop it, and the fact that even today, there are those looking to shift the guilt.




Level -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/6/2008 7:52:39 PM)

As angry as the South Koreans get over our beef being sold over there, I have to think they won't respond well to this.




Vendaval -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 1:09:47 AM)

No, it is not.  And talk about keeping skeletons in the closet!

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Is being at war a valid reason for such actions?




Termyn8or -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 4:34:45 AM)

So now you know 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th of Man's history of inhumanity to his fellow Man.

This is a small pimple somewhere near the oozing open sore of WW2. The Russians killed MILLIONS simply for social engineering reasons, and then blamed it all on the Germans. "Hey, these bodies are still warm, and not decomposed" BOOM !

The Katyn Forest massacre was not the only such venture they pulled off. And the allies just shut the fuck up. Germans did it, just shut the fuck up.

They did the same thing all over the place. Get some better books.

T




meatcleaver -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 5:25:00 AM)

A war crime is a war crime, a crime against humanity is a crime against humanity. Not stopping mass murder when in a position to, is to be an accessory to those crimes.

There can not be any exceptions or excuses.




Sanity -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 6:09:45 AM)

The North was advancing and would soon overtake the prisoners who would then be given rifles to help kill those who formerly held them. What South Korea did back then was not good, but still nowhere near the level of the mass atrocities that have occurred under communist regimes.

This will give the America haters information that can be made into propaganda, and it will without a doubt be twisted and spun until it is unrecognizable as the truth. 




meatcleaver -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 6:52:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The North was advancing and would soon overtake the prisoners who would then be given rifles to help kill those who formerly held them. What South Korea did back then was not good, but still nowhere near the level of the mass atrocities that have occurred under communist regimes.

This will give the America haters information that can be made into propaganda, and it will without a doubt be twisted and spun until it is unrecognizable as the truth. 



You are rationalizing Sanity.

Why does the right always need to rationalize? A crime is a crime whether it comes from the left, right or centre.

Hitler didn't kill as many people as Stalin, in that case I guess the right is better than the left?

Get real.




slvemike4u -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 8:35:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The North was advancing and would soon overtake the prisoners who would then be given rifles to help kill those who formerly held them. What South Korea did back then was not good, but still nowhere near the level of the mass atrocities that have occurred under communist regimes.

This will give the America haters information that can be made into propaganda, and it will without a doubt be twisted and spun until it is unrecognizable as the truth. 
[/quote)Just give it a minute and the usual suspects will start their usual"blame uncle Sam "litany.As if America is responsible for all the crimes commited against humanity ,be they by the left or by the right.This was done to Koreans by Koreans and somehow our presence there makes us responsible.Having control of all South Korean Forces involved in the repulsion of the invasion by forces of North Korea did not and could not extend to total control of all activities in all places by the Goverment of South Korea,this attrocity paled in comparison to the attrocities that would surely have resulted in a victory by North Korea.....but we were there so we shall be blamed and sooner or later reparations might even be demanded,yet the same voices that will scream the loudest due to the inaction of American Officer's will next week bemoan the actions of some American somewhere else meddling in the affairs of others...




Owner59 -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 8:44:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The North was advancing and would soon overtake the prisoners who would then be given rifles to help kill those who formerly held them. What South Korea did back then was not good, but still nowhere near the level of the mass atrocities that have occurred under communist regimes.

This will give the America haters information that can be made into propaganda, and it will without a doubt be twisted and spun until it is unrecognizable as the truth. 


"was not good, but still nowhere near the level of the mass atrocities that have occurred under communist regimes."

"twisted and spun until it is unrecognizable as the truth." 


Starting with you,it seems.


Does this mean that when any American mentions this,a right-winger will instantly point his their finger and scream,"Blame America First!!"?











Alumbrado -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 10:41:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The North was advancing and would soon overtake the prisoners who would then be given rifles to help kill those who formerly held them.  


Or maybe they had just been seduced by the words of Merton...

There are crimes which no one would commit
as an individual which he willingly and bravely
commits when acting in the name of his society,
because he has been (too easily) convinced that
evil is entirely different when it is done
‘for the common good'




Termyn8or -> RE: U.S. wavered on Korean executions (7/7/2008 2:27:54 PM)

Yeah, evil for the common good. We're soaking in it.

T




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