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candystripper -> RE: Politics, Religion, Circus Folk. (6/26/2008 7:09:49 PM)
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ORIGINAL: knees2you
I know that Religion, and Circus folk should have nothing to do with Politics, but I've never known a Politician
(Circus performer) who did not Change their mind on People, Places or Things, during their running
for office.
(I think same sex marriages are wrong, wait I can get more votes if I acknolwedge them.)
Believe in what they will a Christian is never going to get elected into office.
No matter how Right he may be, it's just not going to happen. Just ask Mike Huckabee.
Say what you will, but "The Truth Hurts."
I've seen to many people deny God, yet it is everywhere
in oiur Constitution. Our country was founded on it.
http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/Washington.html
only in the end will it truly be revealed.
Always, Ant[sm=yeahright.gif]
Ant, there's serious doubt as to the credibility of the reporters and sources involved in the story you linked us to:
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Are there any reliable facts in "Washington's Vision"? A man named Anthony Sherman did serve in the Continental Army. He applied for and received a pension in the 1830s. However, his pension application said he wasn't at Valley Forge in the winter of 1777-78; he was with Gen. Benedict Arnold's army instead. Furthermore, Anthony Sherman is not listed among Revolutionary veterans receiving a pension in 1840, meaning he had died by that year—well over a decade before he supposedly spoke to Wesley Bradshaw in Philadelphia.
Wesley Bradshaw didn't exist, either. That was a pseudonym used by Charles W. (for Wesley) Alexander, the publisher of "Washington's Vision". John Adcock at Yesterday's Papers says that Alexander, using his "Wesley Bradshaw" identity, had already contributed to a series of illustrated pamphlets that 'purported to be true stories of murderers and female fiends, full of torture, murder and melerdrama, usually beginning on page 19, so a 64 page work was not all it was advertised to be.'
(Note that Washington's Vision gets rolling on page 11.) Thus, if we believe the story Alexander tells in "Washington's Vision," he heard of an angelic prophecy crucial to the nation, and chose to publish it under the same pseudonym he used for exploitative potboilers.
In fact, a big part of Alexander's work was responding to recent public events with patriotic thrillers and legends. During and after the Civil War he wrote and published several novels such as Pauline of the Potomac; Or, General McClellan's Spy; its sequel Maud of the Mississippi, General Grant's Daring Spy; and the immortal The Angel of the Battlefield: A Tale of the Rebellion. In 1876, just in time for the Centennial celebration, Alexander came out with The History and Legends of the Old Liberty Bell in Independence Hall in Philadelphia. "Washington's Vision" is part of that fictional output, not a historic link to Valley Forge.
Nonetheless, "Washington's Vision" has been reprinted many times since 1861, including in the Grand Army of the Republic's newspaper, the National Tribune, in 1880, and its successor Stars and Stripes in 1950. And now it's on the internet, so it will never die.
http://boston1775.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-of-washingtons-vision.html
The author of the article I quoted in part, above, is J.L. Bell, whose published works appear in scholary magazines. A list of his published works can be found here:
http://boston1775.blogspot.com/2006/05/j-l-bells-publications.html
Most scholars agree that it was the Intent of the Founders to provide for a separation of church and state.
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Eschewing both notions of a "Christian America" and an aggressive secularism, the author concludes that original intent warrants a "loose separation" and "benevolent neutrality" (WALZ v. TAX COMMISSION 1970) that, while respecting certain forms of accommodation, generally requires complete separation between government and religion.
Religion and the Continental Congress, 1774-1789: Contributions to Original Intent, by Derek H. Davis. New York: Oxford University Press, 2000. 309 pp. Cloth $39.95.
Your factoid that 'a Christian is never going to get elected into office' doesn't hold water either. U.S. Presidents have overwhelming been 'WASPs' -- one was Catholic, another was a Jehovah's Witness, and the rest belonged to various mainstream protestant churches. We have yet to elect a non-Christian as President.
http://www.adherents.com/adh_presidents.html
Beware of the 'net when researching factoids, Ant; look into the bona fides of the author and the publication.
The link you posted, and the story it contains, seem to be no more than folklore, lacking a factual historical basis.
By the way, what did 'circus folk' have to do with the Op?
Best wishes,
candystripper
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