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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 12:39:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LacedCorset

We are a community. A community that stands firm supporting each other. When someone comes on here and exclaims that they enjoy using simple things like handcuffs and scarves, do we judge them for being too vanilla? Or do we accept them that they want to learn about the fetish lifestyle that all of us enjoy?


why wouldn't we accept them? is there some sort of ranking system built into toys that people forgot to tell me about?


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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 12:56:17 PM   
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Of course the community accepts them!

Unless they happen to be disabled....


(oh wait...that was YOUR thread...)

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 1:24:55 PM   
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Okay I'll do this again.

We are not a community.

No one is expected to do anything because membership is not based on a commonality it is based on a desire to organize. I know many have a different viewpoint on this issue but this one is mine and feel free to disagree all you want.

This "Lifestyle" is based on the Principal that people within it in some way subscribe to Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, or Masochism however that was not good enough because there were many who enjoyed the control dynamic but did not care for the Physical Activities and Thus Master/slave and Dominant/ submissive became part of the acronym. And then eventually Other dynamics such as Pony Play, Daddy/littlegirl, and Other contol dynamics became part of it as well because of this the term BDSM became a Monicer for "I like things that some people consider Kinky or wrong"

We are not required to do anything other than be who we are and truth be told when someone somes in who threatens our particular views or morale standing we tend to attack not because we are trying to protect the Community but because we are trying to maintain a personal standard to the whole of the community.

Grandstanders who like to spend hour upon hour on boards and Threads like this just to tell you what is right and what is wrong are those who feel that this lifestyle defines them as a person rather than being who they are they chose the moniker to stand behind. When everything is said and done this "community" is no more than a Tin Can Alley where when things get tough it's an every man for himself mentality, NEVER believe that you are protected by anything other than the personal choices you make because people in this lifestyle tend not to care about anything beyond thier own nose.

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 1:30:08 PM   
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Hate to break the news to you.  I'm an island unto myself ultimately in the end.  I have my own thoughts, views, opinions and my own set of experiences.  There are moments, when me and other people have things in common, and times when there are great differences.

Personal note:  I've never accused anybody of being too vanilla to be involved in BDSM, even more so if they enjoy Handcuffs and scarves for play.  That just tells me that they are not hardcore or extreme into Bondage.   There is far more to BDSM besides Bondage alone.

Some people are here just exploring if BDSM is or is not right for them, how far they wish to take it, is so totally up to them.

It's ok to do your own thing, you don't have to become hardcore about it.  It's ok to not be into extremes.

BDSM is more about what is right for you and your partner.

Hell, there are moments when somebody pops on here and makes posts about Creating Ice Hooks to shove up somebody's ass or asking questions about a few things.  That well frankly I question the sanity of things.   However, I am often sincerely interested in where they are coming from or got the ideas they have to begin with.

I'm not always a nice guy on here, I do have had made sincere smart ass remarks.  At times a village looses and idiot or two.   They come on the message boards, often to be GANG Tackled by an overwhelming majority of users.   There must be a reason why so many people would honestly and sincerely gang up on other people at times.

It terms of being opened minded, we have are to an extent.  We also all are rather closed minded.   At times we get into heated debates with ourselves.   I've learned a few things with the heated debates.   It's actually made me open my mind at times.   However, did not change the fact I was closed minded before getting into the debate.

Another thing, just because I can understand somebody's POV or perspective does not mean, I'm going to Adapt it as part of my way of life, or into what it is I do.

Give you a good example: Adult Babies who are into wearing Diapers.  Yes, it totally turns me off, in fact sort of Squicks me out.   Yes, It's a limit for me.   Does nothing for my mindset.  Not something I enjoy, nor will ever accept as part of my life.  OK, some people are into this.  I'm not.   So at best I simple tolerate those who are into it.

I've actually had emails before in response to my profile, for having personally expressed.. "This Daddy ain't changing no diapers, take your Pampers and Beat it".   Boo Hooo Hooo... type of email for me slamming it on my profile.   Well La De Da... it's my profile and I'll honestly express myself if I want to.

I don't care if Adult Baby Girls became some strange trendy norm of BDSM land, I'm still not into Adult Babies nor seeing a pair of Diapers on somebody.  Makes me want to literally turn my head away.  Not a Good thing, you see.

Now all this that I have expressed, is my own personal taste and preference in regards to something.  Perhaps I have just offended somebody, perhaps not.  Perhaps, I'll be getting emails.. saying you were being a big bad mean asshole for slamming Adult Babies and Diapers.   Perhaps, I'll be getting emails saying but you don't understand Adult Babies and Diapers.

Honestly, I don't know how many people I did or did not insult.  It's not my intention to insult adult babies or those who have a thing for diapers.   I'm simply expressing my own difference of tastes and my honest reaction and thoughts about it.

Now if somebody pops online here and bitches about why people don't enjoy Adult Babies or Diapers.  I will be more then happy to share with them, my own personal reasons why.  After all they are asking for it.

If somebody pops online and they've magical discovered a new use for the Cheese Grater out in the kitchen for abrasion play.  I might raise and eyebrow for a moment.  Hope that they are aware to the cause and effects of using said Evil Device.  I will treat the topic seriously, since I've actually used said evil device before in my crazy past. 

Now if somebody pops on here and starts talking about Meat Slicers and body parts.  RED FLAG...  I'm not holding back EXPRESSING to them what a Fucking Idiot they are.  Trust me, I have Zero Open mind about that one.

I terms of the community, we are simply a group of people with a loosely coupled interest in basically the same thing.  BDSM.

There are things that I'm into, well that I know are not for everybody, things that some people are into that are not for me.   At times, we simply agree to disagree, voice ourselves.  Perhaps bitch slap each other around a little.  Then move onto another thread.   What's ironic, we just might be in 100% agreement about things on a different thread. 

I'm always happy to explain myself, my POV, and experiences with anybody.  That's about the best I can do.   

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 1:30:22 PM   
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I wonder if the OP moved past cuff and scarves and moved directly to GASP... blindfolds ohhhhhhhhh scary

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 1:38:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

I wonder if the OP moved past cuff and scarves and moved directly to GASP... blindfolds ohhhhhhhhh scary

BadOne


Don't forget the joys of wrist and ankle restaints and spreader bars.. perhaps rope, duct tape, and plastic wrap...  leashes and collars... Lions and Tigers and Bears.    I've never been too big of a Blindfold type of eye.  I enjoy seeing eye ball reactions and such!  Also playing a game of show and tell.  Besides the eyes can play tricks on you.   Showing somebody an extremely evil device and misleading them into believing you are using it on them.    

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 1:44:44 PM   
MasterSteel007


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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Okay I'll do this again.

We are not a community.

No one is expected to do anything because membership is not based on a commonality it is based on a desire to organize. I know many have a different viewpoint on this issue but this one is mine and feel free to disagree all you want.

This "Lifestyle" is based on the Principal that people within it in some way subscribe to Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, or Masochism however that was not good enough because there were many who enjoyed the control dynamic but did not care for the Physical Activities and Thus Master/slave and Dominant/ submissive became part of the acronym. And then eventually Other dynamics such as Pony Play, Daddy/littlegirl, and Other contol dynamics became part of it as well because of this the term BDSM became a Monicer for "I like things that some people consider Kinky or wrong"

We are not required to do anything other than be who we are and truth be told when someone somes in who threatens our particular views or morale standing we tend to attack not because we are trying to protect the Community but because we are trying to maintain a personal standard to the whole of the community.

Grandstanders who like to spend hour upon hour on boards and Threads like this just to tell you what is right and what is wrong are those who feel that this lifestyle defines them as a person rather than being who they are they chose the moniker to stand behind. When everything is said and done this "community" is no more than a Tin Can Alley where when things get tough it's an every man for himself mentality, NEVER believe that you are protected by anything other than the personal choices you make because people in this lifestyle tend not to care about anything beyond thier own nose.

Steel

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I agree with you Steel....People love to put others down for doing something in the lifestyle....
and yet....lol
Here they are!


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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 2:04:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LacedCorset

We are a community. A community that stands firm supporting each other. When someone comes on here and exclaims that they enjoy using simple things like handcuffs and scarves, do we judge them for being too vanilla? Or do we accept them that they want to learn about the fetish lifestyle that all of us enjoy?


got a mouse in your pocket?  i LIVE in a community, and in a REAL-LIFE community, everyone's as different as can be; some are gang-members, some are junkies, some are drunks(for an example), and i can tell you right now, i'm not out supporting any of them, except of course, with my taxpayers dollars paying for their rehab clinics and their welfare checks!

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 2:25:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LacedCorset
We are a community.


Judgments occur in all communities. Get used to it.



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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 2:33:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LacedCorset

We are a community. A community that stands firm supporting each other. When someone comes on here and exclaims that they enjoy using simple things like handcuffs and scarves, do we judge them for being too vanilla? Or do we accept them that they want to learn about the fetish lifestyle that all of us enjoy?


We are just like anybody else, the things we do in our personal lives do not define us. Being a community, creating ranks in it.. Accepting some, rejecting others, blaming them being vanilla, claiming only certain people can be Master or Dominant, these all are the tricks of ego. Who ever got offended when called vanilla, ask yourself, why are you getting offended by it? Do you need acceptance, but why? You do not belong to any community, there are not vanilla or BDSM people. There are only people. All those are terms we use for understanding each other better while communicating. So what if somebody calls hand-cuffs vanilla? They just mean "ohh I like more extreme (less mainstream) things than you do" . I would say "be my guess and enjoy it".

I do not believe in community, I do not believe in ranks, I do not believe in camps like BDSM and vanilla. I know human, I believe in human, I love human.

I understand you, I hear what you are saying, but I am telling you.. You do not need to belong somewhere for being in peace with yourself. I hope you can hear it.

Be in peace
Hermes

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 5:15:30 PM   
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Some people are too sensitive as well. Call me vanilla, judge me as such. I don't give a damn. In the end I do what I want, and conform to the standards that I feel I should. Anyone who would judge me and discount me because I'm not as "hardcore" isn't worth my time anyway and I'm a waste of their time so no big loss either way.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LacedCorset

We are a community. A community that stands firm supporting each other. When someone comes on here and exclaims that they enjoy using simple things like handcuffs and scarves, do we judge them for being too vanilla? Or do we accept them that they want to learn about the fetish lifestyle that all of us enjoy?

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 5:42:18 PM   
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Are people judged for being too vanilla in the scene?  All the time.

But everyone is judged by everyone for pretty much everything all the time. 

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/25/2008 11:40:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Another thread by a person judging others for being too judgemental.  I love this place!




god Katy you are *so* judgemental!

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/26/2008 4:43:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Are people judged for being too vanilla in the scene?  All the time.

But everyone is judged by everyone for pretty much everything all the time. 


True to a good extent. I always prefered the philosophy of letting people walk their own path as long as it doesn't interfere with the path I walk. Leaves my attention less divided so that I can focus on what I'm doing rather than what the person next to me is doing. Not saying I'm innocent here, rather I just do my best to minimize any judgemental thoughts of others and focus on what I'm doing instead.

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/26/2008 5:14:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pissdoll

Of course the community accepts them!

Unless they happen to be disabled....


(oh wait...that was YOUR thread...)


What she said.

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/26/2008 5:45:48 AM   
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when did judgement become a bad word?

judgement is the human ability to figure out what is right or wrong for you to do. 

"do I drink the possibly poisoned water? or do I die of thirst?"  that's a judgment call.  the nice thing with a more natural form of life is when human animals guess wrong is they don't breed to make more poor descion makers. 

don't confuse people consolidating power, through churhes, politics, old fashoned lynch gangs, so they can inflict thier opinions on others with judgment.  They may judge this is true, but they don't care if they are right or wrong so long as they are obeyed. 

and exactly what is a community?  in reality, it's a word people use the way they use the idea 'life is hard but fair'...it's a myth, human beings are tribal not communal creatures.  we do not act with one will, like an ant colony or a bee hive...we act in mutually supported self interest.  it's different. 

don't give too much creedance to what a bunch of people say on a net message board about your personal sex life..if you like it and we don't, guess what, we don't have to fuck you..that goes for all of us.  stand firm upon your convictions, especially where your dirty bits are concerned. 

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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/26/2008 9:08:29 AM   
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I never quite understood the idea behind this being a community.  I do what I do.  It really isn't a concern of mine if someone judges that as too nilla or too twisted.  Just as I don't really care if someone flips another over for a spanking, or kisses the back of their neck before beating them, or telling them they are property before rolling over to get some sleep. 
For me this isn't so much a community as it is a source for information if I need it, or a place to discuss a variety of perversions in between doing jobs.  I do run a group, however I don't really care what they do in the sack.  I am a negotiator, an information tech, an organiser and a social director, but when the job is done I am back home, a single member of society.
I like to think of it as just a bunch of kinky people who similiarly bent.
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RE: Open for interpretation - 6/26/2008 9:34:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LacedCorset
We are a community. A community that stands firm supporting each other. When someone comes on here and exclaims that they enjoy using simple things like handcuffs and scarves, do we judge them for being too vanilla? Or do we accept them that they want to learn about the fetish lifestyle that all of us enjoy?


Why do you assume that everyone under WIITWD practices heavy kinky sex?

Are you unaware of the fact that a lot of people are only into the power exchange part of it?

A person doesn't need to have a single tail in their closet to be dom, master, sub or slave.

Not everyone wants to 'learn about the fetish lifestyle we all enjoy'. In fact.... not all DO enjoy a fetish lifestyle.


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