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MzMia -> US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 7:54:09 PM)

 I find the topic of outsourcing US jobs interesting,
so I will start sharing some of the more interesting fields
being "outsourced".


U.S. Legal Work Booms in India - washingtonpost.com

Any thoughts on outsourcing?
Good or bad for the economy?



popeye1250 -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:09:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

 I find the topic of outsourcing US jobs interesting,
so I will start sharing some of the more interesting fields
being "outsourced".


U.S. Legal Work Booms in India - washingtonpost.com

Any thoughts on outsourcing?
Good or bad for the economy?


Heh, heh, lawyers eh?
Maybe now we'll see some action in DC about ending all this outsourcing and global market crap.
It was "ok" when they were shutting down factories and hurting working class people.
And Bill Gates wants congress not to have any "limits" on H1B visas?
We could potentially be flooded in this country with lawyers from India.
Both Obama and McCain want outsourcing and more immigration.
I can see things 5 years from now if that happens, I'll be in a Starbucks and; "Hey Councellor! Two lattes no sugar and make it snappy!"
"First they came for the factory workers but I didn't care because I was not a factory worker....."



MzMia -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:13:50 PM)

lol, Popeye, I agree.
It is now affecting.............lawyers!
 
Expect for your "mouthpiece" to give you a hard time in Starbucks.
You can then look forward to healthy debates over what types of
coffee are the best and why!



MzMia -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:34:07 PM)

Popeye? isn't outsourcing the NEW American way?


Outsourcing America's Future



popeye1250 -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:34:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

lol, Popeye, I agree.
It is now affecting.............lawyers!
 
Expect for your "mouthpiece" to give you a hard time in Starbucks.
You can then look forward to healthy debates over what types of
coffee are the best and why!

Mia, I always told my lawyer up in N.H.; "Charlie! Stay out of trouble!"
He'd say, "Hey! That's my line!"



xxblushesxx -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:38:46 PM)

I have a serious problem with this.
Not the least of which I have finished earning my paralegal degree from an ABA accredited school.
I also disagree with the statement that 90% of the work a lawyer does is research and drafting. That is what paralegals are for.
The most important thing a lawyer does is to understand the law, and give legal advice; something I can't do, and, as far as I know, people who haven't passed the bar can't do either.
It seems to me that unless you have a very standard form to fill out, it would be in your (and your company's) best interest to hire someone who has actually passed the bar, and has an interest in the outcome of your case.



MzMia -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:41:50 PM)

Blushy, the article states that they are lawyers.
India's young lawyers relish chance to work remotely for U.S. firms.

The job market for lawyers in India, does not appear to be as
appealing as the outsourcing work.
 
They are Indian lawyers, that have passed the bar and are outsourced.
The article states that many of them can do EVERYTHING from India,
except sign the paperwork.
 



popeye1250 -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:51:11 PM)

Mia, yup and India's got 1 Billion people.
They can graduate lawyers 500,000 per class.
Come to think of it my doctor at the V.A. is from India as is her husband who's a doctor there too.
Once in a while they don't seem to like each other, maybe she called him a bad word in Indian like "untouchable" or something.
Makes for less painfull prostate exams!
Glad I don't have one of those big German or Sweedish dr's named "Brumhilda" or something.



DomAviator -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 8:55:34 PM)

Technically though they are glorified paralegals doing the shit work that is usually done by clerks and first year associates. They arent really "practicing law" in that they arent advising and counseling clients, appearin in court, etc.. if anything this lets the lawyers make more $$$ cause they can hire them for dirt and wind up billing 200 hours a week LOL



MzMia -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 9:05:18 PM)

Did you read this part?


By Rama LakshmiWashington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, May 11, 2008; Page A20

GURGAON, India -- When Aashish Sharma graduated from law school two years ago, his father had visions of seeing him argue in an Indian court and eventually become an honorable judge.

Instead, Sharma, 25, now sits all day in front of a computer in a plush, air-conditioned suburban office doing litigation research and drafting legal contracts for U.S. companies and law firms. He is part of a booming new outsourcing industry in India that employs thousands of English-speaking lawyers such as him to do legal work at a small fraction of the cost of hiring American lawyers.
"It is much better than going to court in India and dealing with all kinds of rough people. Working in legal outsourcing is a happy career move for me, although my father does not fully understand what I am doing here after my education in Indian law," said Sharma, who began working in February for an outsourcing company called Quatrro. "I am getting valuable exposure to the American judicial system, corporate law and their way of working."

They love it!
Popeye? It's better than dealing with the "rough" people Sharma said!



popeye1250 -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 9:11:39 PM)

Yeah, my lawyer in New Hampshire carried a gun.
He told me once, "screw divorcees!" "They don't pay anyway."



xxblushesxx -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 9:12:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

Blushy, the article states that they are lawyers.
India's young lawyers relish chance to work remotely for U.S. firms.

The job market for lawyers in India, does not appear to be as
appealing as the outsourcing work.
 
They are Indian lawyers, that have passed the bar and are outsourced.
The article states that many of them can do EVERYTHING from India,
except sign the paperwork.
 


I wouldn't put my company's reputation on the line with that.
But, it appears, many would.
And will be crying when they have no recourse when things go south.



popeye1250 -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 9:21:27 PM)

Blushes, we need to stop all the outsourcing and get out of this "global economy" or we'll all be making $10 an hour!



UtopianRanger -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 9:25:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I have a serious problem with this.
Not the least of which I have finished earning my paralegal degree from an ABA accredited school.
I also disagree with the statement that 90% of the work a lawyer does is research and drafting. That is what paralegals are for.
The most important thing a lawyer does is to understand the law, and give legal advice; something I can't do, and, as far as I know, people who haven't passed the bar can't do either.
It seems to me that unless you have a very standard form to fill out, it would be in your (and your company's) best interest to hire someone who has actually passed the bar, and has an interest in the outcome of your case.


Excellent post.....and factually on the money.

The American Lawyer will never go the way of the dodo.

As for outsourcing : Instantly... it would be ''game over'' if I had anything to do with it. Instantly.....

Yanno.....here in the US, the French are mocked and continually ridiculed - But if the French citizenry supplanted that of US and this shit was cast upon them, they'd be out in the streets, in mass, pelting every politician who showed their face, with tomatoes, eggs, beer bottles, and anything else they can get their hands on.

The American people have no balls whatsoever when it comes to facing down the politicians that are slowly pulling the rug out from underneath them.




- R



MzMia -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 9:35:58 PM)

Great post Ranger, problem is we should have done more
30 years ago, when they first started increasing this 
"outsourcing" crap.
 
Like Popeye said, no one started a revolution when it was only
low paying jobs and factory workers that were affected.
 
But, now as more and more IT and "White Collar workers" are affected
things might change.



UtopianRanger -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/23/2008 9:39:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

Great post Ranger, problem is we should have done more
30 years ago, when they first started increasing this 
"outsourcing" crap.
 
Like Popeye said, no one started a revolution when it was only
low paying jobs and factory workers that were affected.
 
But, now as more and more IT and "White Collar workers" are affected
things might change.



Hi Mia....

Frogs are boiled slowly - so they don't jump out of the pot [:D]




- R



pinkieplum -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/24/2008 1:21:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

 I find the topic of outsourcing US jobs interesting,
so I will start sharing some of the more interesting fields
being "outsourced".


U.S. Legal Work Booms in India - washingtonpost.com

Any thoughts on outsourcing?
Good or bad for the economy?


What F**ktards!
 
BTW, I find it amazing that anyone would assert that 'there aren't enough lawyers (in America) to do the work'.
 
quote:

More lawyers are entering the work force, thanks in part to the accreditation of new law schools and an influx of applicants after the dot-com implosion earlier this decade. In the 2005-06 academic year, 43,883 Juris Doctor degrees were awarded, up from 37,909 for 2001-02, according to the American Bar Association. Universities are starting up more law schools in part for prestige but also because they are money makers. Costs are low compared with other graduate schools and classrooms can be large. Since 1995, the number of ABA-accredited schools increased by 11%, to 196.
 
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119040786780835602.html
 
The tite of this article is 'Hard Case: Job Market Wanes for U.S. Lawyers'; Wahington Post, September 26, 2007.
 
I fail to see any upside to outsourcing jobs from any sector of the U.S, economy, and feel legislation should be passed to prohibit this.
 
Time for another letter to my Senators and Congressmen.
 
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119040786780835602.html
 
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
 
pinkieplum



Vendaval -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/24/2008 1:58:25 AM)

More trouble for the US economy and more money in the banks for robber barons.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia
Any thoughts on outsourcing?
Good or bad for the economy?



housesub4you -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/24/2008 4:45:37 AM)

I just don't understand why Mexican lawyers can't do this.  Dammit at least they can cross the border if they need to file a brief. 

Or are the Indian lawyers doing the work Mexician lawyers won't



Alumbrado -> RE: US Legal work--booms in India! (6/24/2008 4:53:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I wouldn't put my company's reputation on the line with that.
But, it appears, many would.
And will be crying when they have no recourse when things go south.


How is an Indian lawyer's work going to be inferior to an American paralegal's?



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