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Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 8:31:32 AM

HeidiAnn

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Hi A/all,

W/we have been discussing about proper grammar spelling when referring to someones Owner in written form. Should it be Your Master/Mistress or your Master/Mistress? And, if it is both, then from whose point of view is either used?

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 8:38:37 AM

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if you are talking slashy speak, slave lowercase, Master upper case then the your would be in lower case.

Proper grammar, Master is capitialized as you are using it as a title, your still lowercase.

His or her personal preference can go either way.

Edit to change a very bad habit of mine before the spelling police catch it

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 8:44:01 AM

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What does your owner request of you? Ask that question and you have your answer.
Of course some people who are online are going to be annoyed by whatever you choose.
It seems real life people you meet in person are much more relaxed and understand respect
has to be earned..not just freely given.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 8:48:02 AM

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'Your' is a pronoun - a word that is substituted for another - and therefore not capitalised unless it is at the beginning of a sentence.
'Master' or 'Mistress' is a proper noun and is always capitalised.

I have answered as you were specific from a grammar POV, not online protocol.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 8:49:46 AM

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Imo i cant see why you would capitalise "your" when you are referring to them, but maybe you would capitalise "your" when referring to things they own or things they said or did.

but ask him or her, and do as they wish.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 9:01:12 AM

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Some will be offended if you refer to someone as their Master/Mistress if they see them as their Dom/me. There will always be touchy people. If you have a special concern you can always put in parentheses, "I hope I used the right term".

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 9:04:22 AM

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I've recently tried a brilliant "Lite Creamy Caesar"...wait. You're asking about something different here. Still, it is a matter of "taste." One way or another.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 9:12:31 AM

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Grammar police is the reson I use sign language. Here is what I think of grammar police

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 9:18:21 AM

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In written form, "master" or "mistress" are only capitalized when used as formal titles. They are not capitalized when making a general reference or referring to a person with a certain level of skill. For example, "Who is your master?" or "Her owner is a master of the singletail" as opposed to "I heard Master Joe tried out his new flogger on you last night." If you say, "Dear Master/Mistress" in the greeting for a letter, capitalize it. The word "your" is only capitalized when it starts a sentence.

ETA: Answer is based on AP style manual for writing.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 1:24:19 PM

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Y/you C/could J/just B/be R/really A/annoying A/nd U/se A/a S/slash F/for E/every W/word. L/like Y/your M/master O/or M/mistress.

FYI, I agree with SylvereApLeanan, you asked about proper grammar not "cool BDSM net speak."

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 2:59:31 PM

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If it's your partner- then you do what they tell you. If it's not, then you do nothing you wouldn't do normally as orientation is not social status and carries no special weight to it.

I don't follow capitalization rules based on orientation.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 4:31:35 PM

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it seems to me that middle school and high school english classes should have been enough for you to figure that one out on your own.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 4:58:01 PM

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English is a funny language as there are grammar rules, and then there's usage. Quite often the usage or even indeed the context can affect the grammar or even make an exception of it.

Master and Mistress are proper nouns, particularly in the context we all share here. For this reason I personally will also capitalize Dominant, Dom and Domme, which isn't strictly speaking grammatically correct, but I do this because the context and the usage supercede grammatical correctness when it comes to communication, which is the most important function of language.

You see you've got 'universal grammar' which is what we all carry inside us from childhood which is that instinctive awareness that any language has a grammatical structure. This is often what catches out learners of English through what is known as L1 interference, i.e. an inhibition of their comprehension of English caused by their comprehension of their own language.

Then you have generative grammar which is grammar as a body of knowledge possessed by users of a language which is considered part of universal grammar, as native English speakers only need to learn the parochial features of English in order to be able to use English correctly, but there are also other branches such as head driven phrase structure grammar, also lexical functional grammar and also combinatory categorial grammar which are all generative in nature.

But then again I'm splitting hairs and drawing on what I know of Noam Chomsky's theory of linguistics.

It's also worth considering usage because unlike most languages there is only one gender, two cases, two basic tenses and most importantly here for the purpose of this thread - no distinction between formal and informal language. The best example is a lack of distinction when speaking in the second person, as in French ('vous' and 'tu'), German ('Sie' and 'du') or Polish ('Pan/Pani' and 'ty').

The only way of indicating whether English is formal or not is through usage where contractions ('do not' becoming 'don't' for example), ellipsis (missing words out), words such as 'ain't' and a relaxation of grammar rules. Therefore (grammar police please note) a sentence or phrase may not be grammatically correct but because it is commonly used and understood by many people as a part of English it is considered to be correct English.

Therefore you have to decide for yourself where you draw the line as to correct usage based on both the context of what you're saying and who you are addressing at any particular time.

I personally for example don't accept slashy speak and admit to poking fun at it on occasions, I detest txtspk far more stronger, but then again I'm but one of hundreds of thousands of members here, it's not my website, we're writing these postings purely for our own pleasure and enjoyment, it's not like it's going to be pubished anywhere else, I know not everybody is a native English speaker, which is why on the whole I tend to take a chill pill when reading the boards.

Each to their own.

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 5:18:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

ETA: Answer is based on AP style manual for writing.

Wait, there's an AP style manual for writing in annoying bdsm slashy/respectful speak? Why did we never cover that in grammar and style, I'd like to know!

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 5:32:12 PM

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I just sold my AP Style Manual today. (I hated that thing!)

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 7:24:46 PM

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I tend to rely on "hey you"

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 7:30:59 PM

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omg are you a literary theory survivor Stella?

Or just linguistics? Ferdinand de Saussure, Levi-Strauss, Barthes?

Foucault? Derrida? Lacan? ~shudder~ I'm taking myself too far back into the abyss...

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 7:34:16 PM

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I like either Mister Man.... or Dick Brain

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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 7:42:26 PM

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The slashy speak is somewhat irritating on its on, and I don't see why you would make it worse by capping "your". Besides, if you need a hard reason why, then consider that the "you" in "your Master/Mistress" is clearly in a submissive role, thus lowercase. Just like you're supposed to write anyway.
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RE: Question about addressing. - 6/18/2008 9:09:24 PM

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Thank Y/you for all the insightful posts.

And, it is always cheering to see that there are many members in here who just can't resist posting and telling they are not interested in the subject or that the topic irritates them for one reason or another.

i posted this topic on His request. W/we were discussing the subject one day and had different thoughts about wether or not to cap the Y/y in Y/your Master. The question mainly rose from the thought that if Master/Mistress is capitalized, then to whom is the "Y/y" in front of "Y/your Master/Mistress" referring to. But, i think the answer can be found in the replies on this thread. So thank Y/you. :)

heidi

EDIT: as stella14b said it, English is not native language to everyone here, including me. i have a feeling that my explanation of the original question in this post is not correctly worded. O/our grammar rules differ a lot from languages that have the same roots as English language, because the roots of O/our language are in the ugrian languages. So it is sometimes hard to translate grammar based question into English language.

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