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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/18/2008 12:38:52 PM   
Stephann


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Personally, if I think something worth doing right, I'll either do it myself, or take the time and effort to teach my slave to do it right, and hold her to those standards.

I'm a good cook.  I like my food a certain way.  I expect that within the next year, she'll be nearly as good at cooking the food I like, the way I like it.  It's a menial task, not overly complicated, but needs to be performed correctly.  When she screws it up, she'll be punished for it.

I think the real gist is, if something isn't worth teaching her to do it right, I'm better off doing it myself.  I do the taxes; it's a once a year chore, that I'm simply more knowledgeable and skilled at.  It's not worth it to me to spend three dozen hours explaining taxes, laws, and rules to her, to do what will amount to three hours of work a year.

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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/18/2008 1:10:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

I think the real gist is, if something isn't worth teaching her to do it right, I'm better off doing it myself. 

 
Good point and well said.

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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/18/2008 1:27:58 PM   
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As the Master, I don't particularly see it as my job to do nothing and/or my girl's job to do everything.  Rather, I see it as my job to divide up the required work such that it results in maximum gain and minimal hassle to our marriage.  Ergo, if there was some task that I was so finicky about that asking her to do it would cause a lot of hassle, I'd just do it myself.  No worries since there are zillions of other tasks for her to do.  What I am very careful to NOT do for myself is what I've come to think of as "direct service" tasks.  For instance, mowing the lawn is just a general task required to keep the household up and running and her pleasure in doing that for me would only be indirect and muted.  But the command, "go make me a green apple martini" is direct and immediate service and she is very pleased to do that for me.  So she makes all the green apple martinis.  (and yes, along with being a disney dom, I'm also a fru-fru drink person).

On a more general leadership note, constantly telling someone that they are not good enough, didn't do it right, didn't measure up, yada yada is a particularly poor way to inspire a follower.  And honestly, if the shirts end up in the wrong side of my closet when she hangs them, I'd like to think that I'm a smart and capable person and can adapt.

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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/18/2008 6:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DominantJenny

As a dominant, where do you draw the line?


As the saying goes.. you want something do right, do it yourself.......  personally, If I lived that way.

If I want something done right... get the right person to do the job, give them right tools to do the job, give them the right directions to do the job, give them the time to do the job.....   

Secondly, I prioritize things as well... my time is valuable... and so are my slaves.  I need to spend that time wisely... so sometimes it makes sense for me to take out the trash.... while they cook me favorite meal (I am not so good a cook)...

this is how I draw the line.

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How much service is too much?


when the quality suffers do to the quantity given.

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How much effort are you willing to put in to teaching your submissive to do things as you prefer and do you resent that effort at all?


I put as much value of effort as the value of return expected.  I don't resent it if my value of effort happens to exceed the actual value of return.... I just consider was my value of teaching was inadequate or was my expectation unrealistic.. then move on.

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Do you think it realistic to expect the submissive to learn without being taught?


I expect them both to self-learn and to be taught..... but I don't expect them to read my mind with what my expectations are.

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Finally, in general, how does one reconcile being a highly independent individual with having someone on whom, on some level, you must become dependent over time?


become dependent?....  why... because they do something for me?  mmmm  how do I reconcile that I am dependent for the doctor to heal me or the Mechanic to fix my car etc etc... simple... I don't like what they do... I get another doctor or mechanic.  I am not dependent on them.. they provide a service... like so many others.. like my slaves.. they provide a service.... We are Inter-dependent to each other.  They require something from me as. I require something from then... as long as it meets to our mutal satisfaction we will maintain the arrangement.... but we are always capable of getting the need/want filled else where... we are not dependent the specific individual unless we choose to be.  I don't choose to be dependent... I choose who I want to fill my requirements and hold them accountable to the standard I expect and want.

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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/18/2008 7:31:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
Secondly, I prioritize things as well... my time is valuable... and so are my slaves.  I need to spend that time wisely... so sometimes it makes sense for me to take out the trash.... while they cook me favorite meal

Exactly!  This is just as Master sees it.  He would much rather handle small tasks around the house while I do other things He'd rather I be doing, such as the cooking you mentioned above.
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 become dependent?....  why... because they do something for me?  mmmm  how do I reconcile that I am dependent for the doctor to heal me or the Mechanic to fix my car etc etc... simple... I don't like what they do... I get another doctor or mechanic.  I am not dependent on them.. they provide a service... like so many others.. like my slaves.. they provide a service.... We are Inter-dependent to each other.  They require something from me as. I require something from then... as long as it meets to our mutal satisfaction we will maintain the arrangement.... but we are always capable of getting the need/want filled else where... we are not dependent the specific individual unless we choose to be.  I don't choose to be dependent... I choose who I want to fill my requirements and hold them accountable to the standard I expect and want.

Wonderful answer!  I couldn't agree more.  Very well put............luci

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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/18/2008 7:39:38 PM   
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Above all, I was raised to be coureous and respectful to O/others, at least until I learn whether T/they are worthy of same.
 
If My girl has cooked Me a delightful meal (as she did tonight), and if I decide that she's tired after working in the kitchen for an hour or more to make said delectable meal, and if I take the dirty plates to the sink and rinse them rather than asking her to do it, 1) it's My decision, and 2) the BDSM police are not going to break down O/our door, and hold Me down while using bolt cutters to remove the finger on which I wear My Secret Dom Decoder Ring.
 
I mow her yard once a week, because she's not able to afford a mower right now, and it's something I can do easily.  I helped her assemble her weight bench (cage) this week because it assembles easier with two people working on it, and it'll be a fun thing to use for purposes other than weight training. 
 
This is a relationship, and it means that W/we enjoy the O/other's company, and enjoy making each O/other happy.  This means that W/we help each O/other, too--and that means that sometimes I do things for her that may not seem Domly to certain O/others--
 
--but this is My relationship, not T/theirs, so fuck 'em!   




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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/19/2008 7:58:59 AM   
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Master and violet are a team, and share household tasks. It has been my pleasure to learn how to do some things in ways that He likes (mostly in the cooking department), though i got over my first flush of enthusiasm in which i cleaned His oven and stove top without even being asked! Fortunately He's not an overly picky person or very set in His ways, and He has been quite amenable to finding out how i naturally do some things and has then said "Great! carry on!" And there are some where i was able to show Him a way that produced better results (eg packing His clothes in a suitcase and having them come out unwrinkled) ... so He has been more than happy to say "do it that way!" Of course, that means any time He goes away ... i get to do the packing  but that's ok. If for some reason i was incapacitated and couldn't do it, i know He could do it for Himself, and quite probably would try to emulate my techniques that He's absorbed from watching me! In some chores, i'd have to say Master's standards do not always equal mine (He's not too fond of vacuuming under chairs!) ... but i am definitely not going to bitch about it as i am grateful that He does it!

As a Domme, yes I want My sub to generally do things My way. But I intend to instruct as to what that way is ... and also provide a rationale for why I like it done that way. For eg, please peg My skirts from the waistband so any peg marks will be hidden under My tops. I am open to seeing or hearing about other ways, and if they have a better way I will say "Great! do it!" There would only be recriminations if they had been well instructed and then persisted in undermining My authority and My clearly-stated wishes by doing it differently. There is really only 1 thing I can think of that I like without there being a rationale ... and that is pegging laundry with matching pegs (eg 2 white pegs on a garment, not a green and a white one). Yes I KNOW the pegs will hold up the garment no matter what their colour, it is just more aesthetically pleasing to Me to have them match. If that's My only foible ... well I would expect My sub to accept that and just do it! It's no harder, it takes no more time to select 2 matching pegs. So why not make Me happy at the same time? Seems straight forward enough to Me.

If Master sat around on His arse and did nothing while i did everything ... yes, eventually that would pall. Especially if He wouldn't pick up and do things when i am unwell or over tired, i might start to feel overused. But, that's not how He is ... He is a life partner, He loves me ... and so He pitches in with a glad heart. And He looks after me ... so if i am unwell, or He senses my blood sugars are crashing a bit, i am told in no uncertain terms (usually over my token protest that i could do it!) to go and sit down and He will make food, bring a drink etc. And He does a top job too ... not like some males who manipulatively do a bad job so they won't be expected to do it again! Similarly, I wouldn't expect My sub to wear himself out ... would just split things 3 ways. And I would be the first to look after him if he is unwell or having a bad day. That's what partners do in My world.

Good questions though!
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RE: If you want something done right... - 6/20/2008 8:35:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DominantJenny
As a submissive, do you feel like a failure when your dominant insists on doing certain things him/herself? How much service becomes TOO much, then, where you lose respect for your dominant because now you see them as simply lazy?
As a dominant, where do you draw the line? How much service is too much? How much effort are you willing to put in to teaching your submissive to do things as you prefer and do you resent that effort at all? Do you think it realistic to expect the submissive to learn without being taught?

Finally, in general, how does one reconcile being a highly independent individual with having someone on whom, on some level, you must become dependent over time?


The things that B wants done in a very precise way are few and far between.  I do 99.99% of the cooking, but I had to learn how to make his omelet the way he prefers them and how to cook his salmon (according to B, there is only one true way to cook salmon, so it is gospel).  Other than that, as long as the place is tidy, he's happy.  Domestic chores are not high on his priority list, and he would often rather have us off doing something else.  Fortunately, I work part time and have time to clean house before he gets home and we do what he wants us to do. 

On those rare occassions that we run across something he is very particular about, like his omelet, it depends on his mood as to whether he invests the time with me to teach me or whether he just does it himself.  In my case unfortunately, the perfect omelet was not a one lesson deal.  Lesson 1 was him cooking the omelet and showing me how it is done to his liking.  He didn't want another omelet for weeks, but when he did, I tried.  It was not his perfect omelet but he ate it and was not displeased.  We joked about it.  The next time or two that he wanted an omelet, I believe he made it himself and I watched.  He just wasn't in the mood for lessons and was more interested in getting his omelet now than he was in getting future omelets made by me.  I was not offended or hurt and did not feel that he thought I was a failure.  It took several months for me to learn to make his omelet to his complete satisfaction, but he only eats them once or twice a month, so there was not a lot of practice.  Now, it is just another way that I can please him, which makes us both happy.  If he never taught me to make them, and he continued to make them for himself, I don't see that our lives would be any different, however. 

My goal is to please him.  If it pleases him to have me make his omelets, great.  If it pleases him to not have me make him omelet, great.  I'm not really attached to the task until I am performing it.  There is no attachment to an expectation of performing a task, if that makes sense.  If I am performing a task, I am in that moment, aware and deliberate in the goal (to please him by performing this task efficiently and well).  If I am not performing the task, it is not in my thoughts.  I don't dwell on what I could be doing that he has not assigned to me.  If he wants me to do something additional or something different, he will tell me.

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