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atursvcMaam -> RE: One Angry Man (6/16/2008 3:57:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

The difference is, that Olberman can back up what he's saying. Yes, he offers his own comments, and is always careful to label them so. Unlike, say, Limbaugh or O'Riley, who quite often bend the facts to suit themselves, and their agendas.

Yeah, Olberman's angry... aren't you?

We're spending 2 billion a month on this ficasco.

4,150+ American dead, 60,000+ Iraqi civilians dead.... tens of thousands more maimed and injured.

No evidence that this operation has had any effect on the "war on terror," except to make the US even more hated in the region, and for it to become a recruiting tool for our enemies.

No weapons of mass destruction. It was all a lie.

Bush, we now find, WAS involved with outing Plame, as a punishment to her husband for trying to tell the truth about Bush's lies.

Bush has attempted to gut the US Constitution by suspending Habeus Corpus, and allowing torture of "enemy combatants"

YOU aren't angry about having your country become a shadow of it's former self, while under the control of this spotted and inconstant man? You aren't angry about his almost retarded leadership, supported by his callow, cowardly toadies, these bootlickers that are his cabinet?

What the hell does someone have to do to make you angy? Shoot your Pa, rape your Mother, and lock all your neighbors in the barn and then set fire to it?


    Perhaps i am confused, it happens from time to time.  i would appreciate some enlightenment.  Politics aside, i do recall some news stories.  There are places where the lines seem blurred as to what prompted what, but there are also some results that don't get much play.  Your view has me somewhat confused as to what you think, and creates a level of confusion and doubt on my part.
      Please do not take this as an attack, but truly a quest for enlightenment.  i can not document most of this, as i do not remember where the impressions came from.
       1.  Were there never WMD in Iraq.  it was my impression that
              there were weapons tested on Iraqi citizens (the Kurds?)
              by Hussein, as well as concern about their uses in
              gulf war I.  i remember Isreal taking it seriously enough
              to have their citizenry seal their houses during potential
              bombing attacks.  During the early stages of GulfWar II,
             there were reports of the use of Serin Gas weapons, few
             and intermittent, but i have never gotten the impression
             they  were produced on a one of a kind, made to order
             basis.
                The question is, if they existed, ever, where did they go?
                The other question, would you turn your back on a
                   loaded gun, especially if you weren't quite sure
                   where it was?
        2.  Do you see 9/11 as an isolated incident, and do you
             believe that there were no other forays planned?
                My understanding was that there were 10 total teams
                planning such devastation.  Where was flight 93 actually
                targetting?  1 team seems to have been stopped at
                Logan,  When and where were the other 5 targets?
             Am i not supposed to view this as the bad guys locking my
             neighbors in the barn and setting fire to it? 
             i do realize that the 9/11 team did not base out of Iraq. 
             different crew, but with apparently similar goals.
               Just to note of a slight effect of the war on terror, there
               has not been a follow up attack on US soil.  The
              combattants appear to have been tied up elsewhere.
      Among other things, the Constitution was developed to "Provide for a common Defence" it would seem that an "enemy combattant" does not care for that goal, but would be quite willing to use the ideas within to defeat his opponent.  it is also not terribly pragmatic to allow a potential enemy to be aware of what one knows, or doesn't know regarding their plans and ambitions.  Part of that is knowing what their agents have revealed in interrogation, investigation and/or intelligence gathering.
         My anger is more that some people want to forget the barn burning, and invite these folks back for a friendly barbeque.  What am i not understanding? 




SugarMyChurro -> RE: One Angry Man (6/16/2008 6:49:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam
What am i not understanding?


Most of it. Where have you been for 7-8 years?

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This has been asked and answered ad infinitum.




atursvcMaam -> RE: One Angry Man (6/16/2008 1:38:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam
What am i not understanding?


Most of it. Where have you been for 7-8 years?

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This has been asked and answered ad infinitum.



i have heard the questions asked, but have not heard reasonable answers.
What i have not heard is
    Where did a bunch of non accounted for weapons, which Hussein acknowleged the existence of and bragged and threatened with during the first Gulf War disappear to?  Or was i misled through 3 administrations (both parties represented?)  Military ordnance does not just disappear, nor does it get legs and walk away.
     and to simplify the next question, Would you want to go to work on the 87th floor of a rebuilt World Trade Center?




philosophy -> RE: One Angry Man (6/16/2008 3:03:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

Would you want to go to work on the 87th floor of a rebuilt World Trade Center?


...and what are the odds of something bad happening to you? More or less than driving a car on a freeway? More or less than choking to death on food? More or less than dying of a hospital acquired infection? If the three things i've mentioned are more likely to kill you than working in a tall building, do you avoid driving, eating or going for medical aid in a hospital?




atursvcMaam -> RE: One Angry Man (6/16/2008 4:23:00 PM)

    i am talking about a specific tall building.  i have no great fear of working up high, buy usually know where the staircase is.  i drive carefully, and have fear of idiots who talk on the cell phone when i drive.  i also have taken a series of hepatitis shots to avoid a level of hospital borne infections, and chew carefully.
    would you invest in the rebuilding of WTC at WTC square?   if you would, would you choose to work there?
     The enemy in question likes to make statements, and likes to use anniversary dates of greatly successful attacks, and would not be happy at all if someone spat in their eye by ignoring one of their great victories.  Or is that being revised to say that it never happened either.
       Now, if you go into a hostile environment with someone that you know has carried and used a gun in the past, do you ignore that fact, and not worry about where the gun is because it is not in his hand?




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