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GreedyTop -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 10:21:12 AM)

LMAO!!  evil!! 




FullCircle -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 10:24:32 AM)

You can tell I'm evil because I have a world map on my wall with pins in the locations where MsGreedyTop has been spotted by one of my agents. It's only a matter of time now as it's always been i.e. it was a matter of a long time before and a matter of a short time now.[8|]




GreedyTop -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 10:40:25 AM)

*wonders when FC had that chip implanted in me.....*




FullCircle -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 10:44:18 AM)

Halfway through the night,
I wake up in a dream
Echoes in my head,
Make every whisper turn into a scream

I dreamed I could fly, out in the blue
Over this town, following you
Over the trees, subways and cars
Id try to find out who you really are

In the middle of the night,
Cool sweatin in my bed
Got the windows open wide,
Thinkin about all the things you said

I wish I could fly, out in the blue
Over this town, following you
Id fly over rooftops, the great boulevards
To try to find out who you really are
Who you really are
Who you really are

I wish I could fly now
I wish I could fly now

I wish I could fly, around and around
Over this town, the dirt on the ground
Id follow your course of doors left ajar
To try to find out who you really are
To try to find out who you really are
I wish I could fly

Roxette Wish I could Fly.




GreedyTop -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 11:45:35 AM)

so.... are you stalking me? *grin*




FullCircle -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 11:47:09 AM)

Yes but in a truly romantic way so that's ok[8|]




GreedyTop -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 12:16:39 PM)

awww:)  




MstrssScarlet -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 8:54:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet

My submissive sent me some pictures yesterday.  The women in Japan have always been considered a bit submissive, but take a look at their latest foot fashions: 



1. These 'ballet' shoes are common in BDSM circles and are absolutely not typically Japanese.

2. Can we get the facts straight before propagating nonsense? Footbinding was a Chinese custom, and the women that are depicted with broken, bound foot are old: the practice was outlawed in China in 1915.

3. The Japanese were instrumental in outlawing footbinding when they took over Taiwan in 1895.

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However, it was not until 1911 when the Manchu dynasty was toppled by Sun Yat Sen's revolution (which was followed by the formation of the New Republic of China) that foot binding was outlawed. In 1915 the Chinese government declared the practice illegal and sent inspectors to issue monetary fines to those who continued to uphold the tradition.

Despite the outlawing of this custom, foot binding continued in isolated regions of China until the 1930s. Half a century later, the last factory manufacturing shoes for women with bound feet in Hanbin, China ceased production of what had come to be identified with pain and suffering.




The person who sent me the email titled it "From Japan".  Soooo sorry I didn't get out my history books and make sure it was correct.  Jeesh!
I know that the shoes are worn in BDSM circles.  That's why I posted it!  That doesn't mean it's impossible for anyone else to wear them.  I've seen other stuff posted that was some kind of crazy fashion statement in the far east as well.  One of them was T-shirts painted to look as if the women were naked or scantily clad.  The women wearing them and the people in the background were Aiasan, but I won't try to guess where because heaven help me if I'm wrong.
The feet shown are those of a very mature woman, so I'm sure she's part of a dying culture.  I say let it die.
I posted these pictures simply as a topic of interest....nothing more.  No research, just threw it out there.  If you find a mistake, it's just as easy to say "I think you're mistaken on this one....".  Thanks for proving once again that people on this site seem more bent on proving how much they know rather than discuss something in a civilized manner.
Mistress Scarlet




MstrssScarlet -> RE: From Japan (6/15/2008 9:07:41 PM)

To everyone else who posted with the light, casual bantering that I had intended, THANK YOU.
Mistress Scarlet




kittinSol -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 5:16:35 AM)

If you don't like to cope with the consequences of posting blatant fallacies, check out the facts before. Jeeeshhhh [8|] .




MstrssScarlet -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 5:54:29 AM)

They were pictures!  Just friggin pictures!  And they came with the same title on the email that I posted here.  I thought some people on the site might enjoy them.  Get over yourself already.
This is exactly why I rarely post anything or post TO anything even the slightest bit controversial  anymore.  Too many people who just HAVE to correct any and all mistakes people make, even if it means killing the thread.
Mistress Scarlet




kittinSol -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 5:59:29 AM)

If you had titled it something else, and hadn't made this astonishing generalisation about 'Japanese women being submissive', I wouldn't even have noticed your post... Sorry if my daring to correct your OP offended you [:D] .




MstrssScarlet -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 6:12:43 AM)

THIS???  The women in Japan have always been considered a bit submissive
I've lived in that part of the world and have friends who used to live there.  They indeed do (until they are "Americanized) tend to be a bit on the submissive side.  That's their culture!!!   It's not something I made up.  A generalization, maybe.  Unheard of in that part of the world?  No way!
Mistress Scarlet




kittinSol -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 6:21:58 AM)

It's okay for you to see things your way. Do you understand that it's also okay for another to put forward another way to look at things? That's what public forum means, after all.

You basically, perhaps unwittingly, tried to make the case for Japanese women being 'a bit submissive' (a contentious point, at best) by illustrating it with footbinding which is a) a Chinese custom and b) one that has been banned for close to a century. I realise you were doing it for fun, but fun doesn't have to take the guise of information. Look at the way the first few posters reacted to your original post, with indignation, because they were misled into thinking that Japanese women are submitted to atrocious torture and footbinding...

It propagates prejudice and misinformation. If you see nothing wrong with that, I see no point in arguing over this any further.




GreedyTop -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 6:25:06 AM)

personally.. I found the pics AND the history lesson interesting.




MstrssScarlet -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 6:31:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's okay for you to see things your way. Do you understand that it's also okay for another to put forward another way to look at things? That's what public forum means, after all.

You basically, perhaps unwittingly, tried to make the case for Japanese women being 'a bit submissive' (a contentious point, at best) by illustrating it with footbinding which is a) a Chinese custom and b) one that has been banned for close to a century. I realise you were doing it for fun, but fun doesn't have to take the guise of information. Look at the way the first few posters reacted to your original post, with indignation, because they were misled into thinking that Japanese women are submitted to atrocious torture and footbinding...

It propagates prejudice and misinformation. If you see nothing wrong with that, I see no point in arguing over this any further.


Wow.  I scarred them for life by giving them the wrong information on foot binding.  I would have corrected it myself if I'd gotten back to the thread in time, but I was sick in bed most of the day yesterday.  HOWEVER, I would have done so in a polite but informative manner.  You had that same option.
Mistress Scarlet




MstrssScarlet -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 6:34:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

personally.. I found the pics AND the history lesson interesting.


Well, I'm glad all the bickering didn't ruin it for you.  I honestly don't like crossing swords on the boards.  I really don't!  Unfortunately, I just couldn't walk away from this, but I am now.
Backing out of here slowly........
Mistress Scarlet




Lynnxz -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 1:29:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Corsets arose far earlier than the XIXth Century. I think people thought nothing of binding tiny tots into them at a seriously young age, but this merits some research. Have you heard of XVIth Century iron corsets? We're horrified by these traditions because they're so foreign to us: I bet you the Chinese are disgusted by some of our ways as well. One people isn't better than another.


Eep, shows you how much I know about corsets. :-/




Lockit -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 3:02:08 PM)

http://fashion.commongate.com/post/Latest_fashions_from_Italy_and_Japan_for_2007#images

These are some of the pictures Scarlet posted... listed from Italy and Japan.  The style would suggest a small foot and torture to me.  In my opinion they are dangerous to spine and foot health.

http://www.worldandi.com/public/1986/july/cl2.cfm

The modern woman in Japan

http://china-japan-reconciliation.blogspot.com/2008/01/abused.html

Another something on how women are being treated in Japan.


This link shows the woman Scarlet posted a picture of from China with comments made that I found very interesting.

http://hvattum.net/index.php/2007/05/19/chinese-foot-binding/

Thought provoking eh?




Lockit -> RE: From Japan (6/16/2008 4:40:31 PM)

Foot binding was continued until 1949 in this article.  It is said that 100% of the upper classes had their feet bound at this time.  The lower classes had a lower percentage, but still almost half of the women had their feet bound.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8966942

So while foot binding orignated in China (a leaders foot fetish with a small whore he fell in love with), Japan had a great influence on society customs and the like early on. 




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